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CustomSatellite:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on May 02, 2017, 12:10:27 PM ---I'm pretty sure that isn't the case as pointed out in Dan's link here:
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?p=3524#comments
As for Trump leaning on the ATF, I think it has more to do with getting ahead of people's attitudes toward firearm declassification. I think they are trying to give a little to quell a passion that might see a lot of regulations get tossed. Make us fight for what we want and we'll probably take even more in the process.
JMHO
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The one thing about the ATF that I know from being in business with them is to never assume anything and a phone conversation with them verifying information is as good as monopoly money. I'm not saying it isn't accurate but I've been down this mole hole with them enough to know better than trust it. Personal letterhead responses from them on issues such as this with an authorized sig is the gold standard. As a dealer, I wouldn't bet my business or my individual freedom on a phone conversation translated by a vendor to the Internet. That company isn't going to pay your legal fees when you get jammed up. I'm sure this will get cleared up soon and my concerns will be for not.
JMHO
Brian
Les:
--- Quote from: CustomSatellite on May 02, 2017, 12:36:32 PM ---The one thing about the ATF that I know from being in business with them is to never assume anything and a phone conversation with them verifying information is as good as monopoly money. I'm not saying it isn't accurate but I've been down this mole hole with them enough to know better than trust it. Personal letterhead responses from them on issues such as this with an authorized sig is the gold standard. As a dealer, I wouldn't bet my business or my individual freedom on a phone conversation translated by a vendor to the Internet. That company isn't going to pay your legal fees when you get jammed up. I'm sure this will get cleared up soon and my concerns will be for not.
JMHO
Brian
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Thanks for your input on these subjects. I've done plenty of research on this and I can tell you I'm not willing to be the "test case"
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: CustomSatellite on May 02, 2017, 12:36:32 PM --- As a dealer, I wouldn't bet my business or my individual freedom on a phone conversation translated by a vendor to the Internet. That company isn't going to pay your legal fees when you get jammed up. I'm sure this will get cleared up soon and my concerns will be for not.
JMHO
Brian
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I don't blame you. Hopefully, this will all be clear soon. I will say that even before this, I never worried about a pistol brace coming to rest on my shoulder. While I wouldn't want to be a test case, I am not one that would lay down and take it and I hate to lose. ;D
Dan W:
--- Quote from: CustomSatellite on May 02, 2017, 11:47:43 AM ---Also as to the original post, please keep in mind that as of today the ATF reversal applies to the company addressed in the ruling only, not to any other company that produces arm braces such as the Sig brace. It also forbids you from altering it from its original form which could reclassify the entire firearm as an SBR. Anyone reading the ruling should keep these things in mind. I'd hate to see anyone become a test case.
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The company in question is the maker of the Sig brace.
CustomSatellite:
--- Quote from: Dan W on May 02, 2017, 11:05:47 PM ---The company in question is the maker of the Sig brace.
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I apologize for the confusion. I didn't word that correctly. There are others, one being the MFT Battle link that I've been questioned about and my advice is don't do it until the ATF puts it on paper. With the gun industry heading into difficult times because of the relaxed political climate, there will likely be other companies trying to exploit this niche, to survive, marketing unapproved designs putting unsuspecting buyers at risk. I'm not quite the tinfoil hat type but the past 8 years have moved me admittedly in that direction. I'm also all about the 2nd ammendment in its literal interpretation but bad things have happened to good people because of uncharted waters such as this.
I'll give you a for instance. Imagine the suprise when the ATF obtains a court order for customer lists for all of those people buying suppressor kits and letters start showing up in the mail. Simply having your name on such a lIst would be suitable grounds for a search warrant and an unfriendly visit. Chances are good that a portion of those people knew very well that they were violating federal law and didn't care but others were drawn in believing they were legal because the selling vendors said "do it this way."
I can't stress enough that a dice roll on anything scratching the NFA area without paperwork is a really bad idea.
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