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Mali:

--- Quote from: David Hineline on November 14, 2017, 11:39:32 PM ---I spend two weeks in Japan Kyoto, I don't know how much longer I could have eaten that food.

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I spent 2.5 years in Haijima and LOVE the food.

If I had the money I would love to stand outside the Gun Amnesty location and buy up all the guns that are worth having. The trash guns can go inside.  :D

Les:

--- Quote from: Mali on November 15, 2017, 07:09:06 AM ---I spent 2.5 years in Haijima and LOVE the food.

If I had the money I would love to stand outside the Gun Amnesty location and buy up all the guns that are worth having. The trash guns can go inside.  :D

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I wonder what kind of stir that would cause?   :P   The "Man" would not be impressed. 

JTH:

--- Quote from: depserv on October 29, 2017, 06:57:24 PM ---LPD implied that a gun being available increases the chance of someone committing suicide, but a look at the real world shows that there is no correlation between gun availability and suicide rate.  LPD should know that and so should the Journal.  Not putting that in the article is a lie by omission, and I would say the lie is deliberate.

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There is, however, a correlation between method used and the success of said suicide attempt.  Unsurprisingly, people who attempt to commit suicide using a firearm are significantly (statistically significantly) more successful than those who use other methods.

Which makes sense---the reason it is an effective self-defense tool is because it is a significant and reliable force multiplier that anyone can use.  As such, that force can be used for things other than self-defense, with similar results, by anyone.

The media, of course, changes that to "more likely to attempt" which is a different thing. 

As such, there is a correlation between gun availability and the suicide rate.   However, there isn't a correlation between gun availability and the attempted suicide rate.  (Note, however, that measures of "gun availability" are normally found only via proxy, and poor proxy at that, so the stats on "gun availability" are generally suspect.  Nonetheless, using firearms as the method is significantly more likely to cause the suicide attempt to succeed, compared to any other method.)

It is certainly true that the reasons for suicide attempts have nothing to do with firearm availability. 

HuskerXDM:
To put some numbers to what Thomas said about 6% of suicide attempts are made with guns and the attempts are successful about 83% of the time.  54% of successful suicides are committed with a gun.  For kids ages 5-14, suicide is the #3 cause of death, and for 14-19 it is #2.   

None of that is to imply that firearms are the problem, as stated above... I just think it's important to know the numbers behind the argument for this particular thread in the gun control debate. 

depserv:
There is no correlation between gun availability and suicide rate. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

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