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One in the pipe?
Kendahl:
--- Quote from: JimP on January 07, 2018, 09:07:49 PM --- ..... still carry a 1911 ...but with one in the pipe the pipe, Cocked and Locked, the way John Moses Browning intended....
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I'm more comfortable with a cocked and locked 1911 than with a striker fired gun whose only safety is something inside the trigger. When I draw a 1911, the thumb safety doesn't come off until the muzzle is pointed down range and it goes back on before I reholster.
I follow Grant Cunningham's blog. Recently, I e-mailed him to ask about front pocket carry. Specifically, muzzling everyone who walks in front of me while I'm seated. His reply was that, as long as the trigger is protected, the gun is safe and I needn't worry. He added that, in public, you will end up muzzling someone no matter how you carry. At matches, I carry OWB at 3 o'clock with a 15° cant. During one match, I cautioned the timer to stand behind my left ear instead of my right. If I carried that way in public, my muzzle would be pointed at the person behind me when I climbed stairs.
Nettles:
--- Quote from: Kendahl on February 28, 2018, 05:41:31 PM ---...
I follow Grant Cunningham's blog. Recently, I e-mailed him to ask about front pocket carry. Specifically, muzzling everyone who walks in front of me while I'm seated. His reply was that, as long as the trigger is protected, the gun is safe and I needn't worry. He added that, in public, you will end up muzzling someone no matter how you carry. At matches, I carry OWB at 3 o'clock with a 15° cant. During one match, I cautioned the timer to stand behind my left ear instead of my right. If I carried that way in public, my muzzle would be pointed at the person behind me when I climbed stairs.
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I think you’re misapplying the rules a little. First, they apply to handling the gun, not its orientation at every moment. If they did, the only solution would be to destroy every gun—even a gun in a safe in the basement is most likely going to point at someone the next floor up once in a while. But unless your gun is an absolute piece of trash, you can trust it to not discharge unless the trigger is actuated. Since one of the basic requirement of a holster is ensure the trigger can not be actuated, as long as you have a decent quality gun in a decent quality holster, you can treat it more or less like a gun in the safe, and not worry about its muzzle orientation until you’re handling it.
Second, the rules are deliberately redundant. No one can be accidentally hurt unless at least two of them are broken simultaneously. I’m not saying that means we should ignore the rules at any time, but that obsessing over any one is misguided. If you apply them all with deligence, and know when breaking one is acceptable (not to be taken lightly), you’ve got nothing to worry about.
I’m a little curious as to how tall you are, that a 15° cant comcerned you about muzzling a range officer standing behind you. Sure, billet splatter is possible, if your gun rides at, say, 40” from the ground and points 15° backward, that makes its POI during drawing and tejolsteribg (a valid concern—you’re handling, not just carrying holstered then) is just under 11” behind where it would impact if pointed straight down. It might break a match’s 180° rule, but I’ve got to wonder how close the timer is standing...
JAK:
--- Quote from: Kendahl on February 28, 2018, 05:41:31 PM ---I'm more comfortable with a cocked and locked 1911 than with a striker fired gun whose only safety is something inside the trigger.
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Striker fired handguns like the Glock, Smith and Wesson MP, and Kahr's (to name a few) will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.
When the trigger is pulled the striker is pulled back and then released , just like firing a double action revolver. They also have a firing pin block that prevents the firing pin from being able to contact the primer unless the trigger is pulled.
With external safeties, like what is on the 1911, there is always the potential for the safety to be accidently disengaged for various reasons.
John K
GreyGeek:
You can't fire a Taurus PT-22 without a round in the pipe, literally. It has a along trigger pull as well. No chance of it going off in your pocket.
SemperFiGuy:
--- Quote ---You can't fire a Taurus PT-22 without a round in the pipe, literally. It has a along trigger pull as well.
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Once you try to hand-rack the slide on one of those little Mouse Guns (Taurus PT-22, Beretta 21-A),
then you realize why the gun has that Barrel Flipper Lever Thingie.
sfg
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