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Mntnman:
--- Quote from: depserv on February 26, 2018, 01:34:09 PM ---He was there to protect the kids and he didn't. Of course he's going to come up with a story to make himself look good. But nothing he claims changes the sad truth that he was the one placed there for the protection of those kids and he stayed outside and did nothing while the kids were being killed inside. I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if any doubt existed, but none does.
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See, you did say “did nothing.” ;D
depserv:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on February 26, 2018, 07:51:03 PM ---See, you did say “did nothing.” ;D
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Once again you have distorted our discussion. You clearly said "Judging by your last post..." And that was what both you and I were referring to. You went back and got that quote from an earlier post of mine.
At this point though, that part of the discussion does qualify as splitting hairs. But you did say that it was my "last post" that that led to your conclusion that I "clearly don’t know what he did and didn’t do." So while it is splitting hairs, it is relevant. And you were wrong. 100%, totally, unequivocally wrong. But it's not really a big deal.
The big deal is your idea that not enough is known about this case to form an opinion. I say there is, a few more of us on this forum say there is, President Trump says there is, I heard Tucker Carlson tonight say there is, and quite a few more good men say there is. You say there isn't. So who knows, maybe we're all not liberty-minded and you are. But I don't think so.
You say further that we are comparable to those who falsely claimed that Mike Brown was murdered, which is laughable in its absurdity. I was open minded on that case, as I am on most. But enough is known about this case for an opinion to be formed with a good degree of certainty. That's the difference. So your analogy is false.
I don't know if there will be any "due process" on this case as you suggest, since I don't know if cowardice is a crime in a case like this. I'm sure there are quite a few people who think it should be, but I'm not expecting this to go to court. Maybe civil court I guess. But I hope we don't have to wait until they go through that process before we can have your permission to call him a coward.
If I see someone rob a bank I will call him a bank robber even before he has been given due process. I am not a court of law. I have no power to lynch him. Liberty includes me being able to give my opinion that this man was a coward.
Lmbass14:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on February 25, 2018, 09:25:57 PM ---We weren't there. Was he supposed to run in blind and get killed like a hero? Would that have been prudent with a handgun against a rifle and possible armor? Does the SWAT team jump out and run in unprepared when they arrive or do they assess the situation?
I am not ready to call him a coward as I am sure I don't know the whole story. I do know that if I was at a mall as an armed civilian and a shooting incident happened, my number one job is to go home to my family, not be a hero.
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MntnMan, No we weren't there and can only speculate on what we would do in that situation and God forbid nobody should experience that situation, but I would have gone in and tried to neutralize the threat. On your mall example, I would have tried to maneuver and try to neutralize the threat by whatever means. Saving innocent lives is the right thing to do, not run and think only of yourself. Just think if the football coach had your philosophy who saved those kids because he was blocking the bullets. Those poor children would be dead. Another example are those 3 military people in Paris that stopped the threat on the train. And the list could go on. It's not that they want to be hero's, but to save lives, I'm willing to bet.
Waltherfan:
I would probably curl into a ball and wet myself.
But then I'm not being paid to defend others.
During my not-so-brief stint in the military, going in harms way was what I was trained for and what I was expected to do. Fortunately, to the best of my knowledge, I was never shot at.
Who knows how one would really respond to an active shooter event. If at a mall, my responsibility is to get me and mine to safety. Should I encounter the shooter on the way I would hope I would engage but getting loved ones out is first priority.
Mntnman:
Depserv, since you know what happened, give me a minute by minute account.
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