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Offline Hardwood83

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Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« on: October 22, 2009, 09:09:46 AM »
Came across this article on the http://www.freestatewyoming.org/site and thought it worth sharing:

WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
By Marco Kloos

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

[BTP NOTE:  According to David Friedman, author of
The Machinery of Freedom,  there is also a third category:
Love (includes affection, friendship, etc.)]
 
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
 
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that  puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
 
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
 
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 09:44:08 AM »
I like that a lot!  Thanks for sharing it Hardwood83

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 10:23:44 AM »
I was skeptical due to the title but the article put forth a reasonable argument.  Something to think about for sure. Thanks!
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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 08:57:28 PM »
Marko Kloos has a blog-

 http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/

....where you can read all his essays.  He is a great writer, and an interesting person.   I don't agree with everything he writes, but at least he can back up his ideas with logical arguements.
The Right to Keep and BEAR Arms is enshrined explicitly in both our State and Federal Constitutions, yet most of us are afraid to actually excercise that Right, for very good reason: there is a good chance of being arrested........ and  THAT is a damned shame.  III.

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 10:42:31 AM »
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at least he can back up his ideas with logical arguements.

That aspect alone immediately puts him into elite company.

I've also read that it's basically 'immoral' to refuse (by not being armed & mentally prepared) to defend yourself/family while expecting a stranger (policeman) to risk life and limb to do so because he receives a moderate wage from your tax dollars. I tend to agree, beside the purely practical fact that "when seconds count the police are minutes away" I am responsible to protect my home & life with other options a distant second, as it should be in a free society. 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 09:28:44 PM »
I have never thought about it being "immoral" to refuse to defend yourself and family as Hardwood83 mentioned, but this really makes sense to me.  Assuming that I am physically and mentally able, if I'm not willing to defend myself and family, why should anyone else?
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 10:08:26 PM »
 The very idea of relying on someone else to defend me and my family is ludicrous. It is my right and moral responsibility to do it. So in my opinion it is immoral and irresponsible not to carry or have access to that great tool that evens the playing field.
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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 10:18:04 PM »
God made man, but Samuel Colt made all men equal.

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 10:30:28 PM »
God made man, but Samuel Colt made all men equal.

AMEN.
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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 11:04:41 PM »
"It is my right and moral responsibility to do it."

That is as it should be: Rights = Responsibilities.
The Right to Keep and BEAR Arms is enshrined explicitly in both our State and Federal Constitutions, yet most of us are afraid to actually excercise that Right, for very good reason: there is a good chance of being arrested........ and  THAT is a damned shame.  III.

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Re: Why Carrying is a moral imperative.....
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2010, 11:01:22 AM »
An armed society is a polite society.