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In their own words: What the Founding fathers really believed about guns

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bennysdad:
When the Founding Fathers approved the “right to bear arms” and the 13 newly formed states agreed to ratify the Second Amendment, the reason couldn’t be clearer: An armed citizenry is a free citizenry.

Yet despite the clear historical evidence showing the true intention behind the Second Amendment, liberals continue to mislead the public by asserting the founders believed the Second Amendment only protects guns necessary for everyday life in the 18th century, such as hunting rifles, or that the founders believed these constitutional protections apply only to militias, not to individuals.

Full Story: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/04/04/commentary-in-their-own-words-what-the-founding-fathers-really-believed-about-guns

Greybeard:
I've read those quotes a number of times. The problem is that the "Gun Grabbers/Gun Control Crowd" can also read, but don't want to accept the truth. Their approach now is to say that "times have changed", and so must The Constitution! While it is true that times have changed, the threats of yesteryear have not changed for the better, they have worsened!! We are now spied upon by our own government in ways not imagined when the Founding Fathers were in charge. The need and ability to defend ourselves has become greater, not lesser. A benevolent government would not have an interest in disarming its citizens, rather it would rather strengthen us against attack by invaders. /rant

GreyGeek:

--- Quote from: Greybeard on April 05, 2018, 09:47:59 PM ---...The problem is that the "Gun Grabbers/Gun Control Crowd" can also read, but don't want to accept the truth. Their approach now is to say that "times have changed", and so must The Constitution! ....

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I've heard some of them claim that the 2A only approved of muskets, etc... My counter is that if so, by that same logic, only quill pens can be used to write with, and all writing and communication devices created after Constitution do not have 1A protection.

hilowe:

--- Quote from: GreyGeek on April 10, 2018, 10:31:00 PM ---I've heard some of them claim that the 2A only approved of muskets, etc... My counter is that if so, by that same logic, only quill pens can be used to write with, and all writing and communication devices created after Constitution do not have 1A protection.

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You can always add on 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.  "Founding fathers never could have imagined of a cell phone, much less the one you have in your pocket with a camera, etc.  By your logic with the 2nd amendment, the 4th amendment doesn't apply to cell phones.  Hand it over to the nice police officer so he can look at your photos, make sure you're not creating kiddy porn."

Dalamar:

--- Quote from: hilowe on April 11, 2018, 10:12:26 AM ---You can always add on 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.  "Founding fathers never could have imagined of a cell phone, much less the one you have in your pocket with a camera, etc.  By your logic with the 2nd amendment, the 4th amendment doesn't apply to cell phones.  Hand it over to the nice police officer so he can look at your photos, make sure you're not creating kiddy porn."

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It doesn't.
A lawyer I had had his phone taken from him which is certainly an unreasonable seizure, he was in a crash which was not his fault, and I don't think they gave him his phone back, he had to get a new one. (the actual incident was in IOWA)
Neither does the 5th. https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/09/01/ex-cop-who-wont-decrypt-hard-drives-still-in-jail-indefinitely/

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