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Gun taken at Cabelas in Kearney
omaharj:
I'd like the opinion of some FFL's here. What do you do when twenty people are in the store handling guns,some that are brought in off the street? I don't think the Bullethole let's you open carry, and gun shows don't. After the ham-handed, dry firing,finger-on-the-trigger waving examples I've seen at gun shows,I wouldn't go if there were a percentage of loaded guns mixed in. :o
JTH:
--- Quote from: Rob B on March 02, 2011, 06:06:30 AM ---I'm going to get flamed here, but while I respect wishes of property owners, I feel once the business is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC,then laws of the state should apply,
if I have a permit, it is a permit, if you don't want my business,become an invitation only store.
--- End quote ---
Hmm. So if I own a building that contains a business, and I don't want someone in it, I still have to allow them stay no matter what as long as there isn't a state law against what they are doing?
Think about that for a moment.
Why do you think a private business is suddenly a public building just because members of the public can have permission to enter on certain occasions?
If you invite someone into your house, does that mean you can't ask them to leave unless they break a state law?
I don't necessarily agree with Cabelas regarding this topic. However, I certainly understand why they made the decision as they did. And I _certainly_ agree that as a private business, they can tell whoever they want to stay out if they feel like it.
Rob B:
So what other rights do we automaticly give up to this business owner when we enter his store, that he begs us to come into? If he says we have no right to spaek our mind, is that OK? Can he just decide we will alll submit to searches, is that OK? What if he decides no blond swedes? He is the property owner and has the control of our rights.
Why do we lose our 2nd amend rights, we are not threatening him or others?
bkoenig:
The property owner doesn't have control of your rights. He has control of his property. He sets the terms by which you may enter his property. If you don't agree, you don't have to enter.
JTH:
--- Quote from: Rob B on March 05, 2011, 06:38:47 AM ---So what other rights do we automaticly give up to this business owner when we enter his store, that he begs us to come into? If he says we have no right to spaek our mind, is that OK? Can he just decide we will alll submit to searches, is that OK? What if he decides no blond swedes? He is the property owner and has the control of our rights.
Why do we lose our 2nd amend rights, we are not threatening him or others?
--- End quote ---
You aren't losing your rights----if you don't like it, don't go there. The owner OWNS the place. It is their building. You don't have to go in. They can set whatever requirements they want. They can't break the law either, so they can't search you or touch you---but if they don't want you in there, they can ask you to leave, or have you escorted out.
You make your choices---as does the property owner. If you don't like their requirements, don't step in. But don't go there and complain about lost rights---it is a store. It isn't like they forced you in.
This is separate from issues of public buildings owned by the state, in my opinion, by the way. State buildings we are occasionally REQUIRED to enter, and in those cases, the government has decided we no longer have certain rights---which is interesting, because they choose to remove from us our primary means of self-defense, but they take no responsibility for our defense. I wonder what would happen if the next person who gets hurt in a public building sues the state for not allowing our primary means of self-defense (as stated in the NE constitution) and doesn't take responsibility for defending us? Hmm...
...and that still is completely separate from private buildings and businesses. By the way, property owners can't do ANYTHING other than make you leave. Or not allow you to enter in the first place. (Or call the cops, and then it isn't about the property rules any more.)
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