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dl_schneider:
I will not say Senator Gronstal did or did not do what Mr. Dorr claims in his email alert, but I am very leary of what is presented by IGO and Mr Dorr because of what I know about his tactics and flat out lies concerning the Shall Issue bill written by the NRA.

Mr Dorr has been very vocal against passing shall issue and instead going directly to a no permit needed system. His quest started when under the current may issue law he was denied a permit by the sherriff. I agree, that no one should need a permit to excercise a right, but what he wanted was to be able to carry a firearm. Shall Issue will give him that. Unfortunately, it appears he would rather live with no permit and complain about the current system than do what is needed to help so he can get a permit.

I will definately give him credit though, his hardline all or nothing stance has made the Shall Issue bill look like a great compromise (and politicians love that "c" word) and maybe deep down he understands that. After a fair shall issue bill is passed, I would love to see IGO and IowaCarry both go after a no permit needed system. Until that time, I will stand by my original views that Aaron Dorr and Iowa Gun Owners is a group of individuals I do not want to be associated with in any way shape or form.

DaveB:
This is a reply a friend of mine from Council Bluffs got from Mr. Gronstal concerning the incident.

Dear Mr. XXXX

Thank you very much for your email on legislation relating to the carrying of weapons by law-abiding Iowans.

As a strong supporter of the Constitutional right to bear arms, I'm happy to consider any legislation that strengthens that right and protects public safety. That's one of the reasons I was endorsed by the NRA in my last campaign.
However, what I won't accept is for any individual or group to intimidate Republican and Democratic legislators on any issue. And, more important, I won't stand by silently while groups such as Iowa Gun Owners lie about my record and the record of dozens of other legislators.
I will not have any relationship with an organization that will literally lie about my record. I hope you understand that I have no quarrel with the members of the organization but the leaders that represent you in Des Moines are liars.
I am not alone. Conservative Republican Rep. Clel Baudler of Greenfield -- a former Iowa State Trooper -- recently described the tactics of the Iowa Gun Owners organization as "thug politics and bullying tactics." Unfortunately, the tactics of Iowa Gun Owners only harm the efforts of well-meaning, honest Iowans who want the Legislature to pass meaningful legislation that strengthens the right to bear arms and and protect public safety.

Again, thanks for taking the time to contact me.

Mike Gronstal

Senate Majority Leader
Senate District 50
Representing Council Bluffs & Carter Lake

Gunscribe:
"I hope you understand that I have no quarrel with the members of the organization but the leaders that represent you in Des Moines are liars."

That doesn't excuse the fact that he dissed hundreds of his constituents. He may have a problem with the leadership, but to toss the petitions of many of those that voted for him is the act of a pompous, swelled up with himself, ass.

"thug politics and bullying tactics."

Likely he and his fellow Senators have been engaging in thug politics and bullying tactics on those that elected him for years.

"I won't stand by silently"

The way I see it he had a perfect opportunity to mend so fences or correct some alleged misconceptions levelled at him. Instead this servant of the people kicked those tha he serves right square in the balls. Seems like he is the bullying thug to me.

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