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Mali:
Dr. John Lott with the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) released a paper recently looking at the effect of resistance and and arming teachers on mass-shooting events at schools. He also gets into the issues brought up about the risks to students if they are exposed to teachers who are carrying a concealed firearm.

Here is a link to the paper he released: Schools that Allow Teachers to Carry Guns are Extremely Safe: Data on the Rate of Shootings and Accidents in Schools that allow Teachers to Carry

Jito463:
WHAT?  Safe, you say?  That can't be!  The media clearly told us that students would be shot by teachers if they were allowed to carry in school.  And the media would never lie to us.......right?









/doIreallyneedit?

m morton:
i don't think teachers have been carrying long enough to say. it's not like each school has a shooting every day .. and the ones with armed teachers do not.. it's so random it would take YEARS to say.

 if it's a student or a past student that is doing the shooting "in most cases it is" don't you think he or she would just kill the teacher and then kill the rest in the room if he or she knows a teacher may be armed ?? it is not like many schools allow teachers this in the first place.  the shooter may get shot in the hallway moving to the next class room, but only if the teachers move to the sound of the shots . and not cower in the back corner with the kids or stay in THEIR room to protect only their class.. quite frankly we will not know how the teachers will act till it happens in their classroom or school.

 what happens when the police arrive and they come across armed adults in the hallway??.. not a situation i would want to be in .. if the police have to keep stopping to deal with the armed teachers it may take them longer to find the shooter..  it's a no win situation..

 you can't stop crazy. or random acts. or predict when a kid that is a good kid, gets picked on one too many times by bully's , and steals dads gun and wants to get even..  with the amount of school shooting over the past few years, the only thing that has been proven to 100% not work... GUN Free Zone law !!

402.308:
I know this is an old post, but the topic is still relevant.


--- Quote from: m morton on June 05, 2019, 10:32:22 AM --- if it's a student or a past student that is doing the shooting "in most cases it is" don't you think he or she would just kill the teacher and then kill the rest in the room if he or she knows a teacher may be armed ?? it is not like many schools allow teachers this in the first place.  the shooter may get shot in the hallway moving to the next class room, but only if the teachers move to the sound of the shots . and not cower in the back corner with the kids or stay in THEIR room to protect only their class.. quite frankly we will not know how the teachers will act till it happens in their classroom or school.

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This is why concealed carry should be allowed everywhere. The possibility of every law abiding, trained, confident gun owner carrying their self defense weapon, every day, with NO gun free zones, would be enough to heavily diminish the chance some coward would come around looking for easy victims.

No one can say exactly how they would react in any given situation in life, be it driving to the store or walking your dog, this is where training and experience comes in as a firearm owner. This is why we practice at the range, this is why we stay in yellow alert mode, this is why we choose to prepare for the worst.

I'd rather have a fighting chance, personally.


--- Quote from: m morton on June 05, 2019, 10:32:22 AM --- what happens when the police arrive and they come across armed adults in the hallway??.. not a situation i would want to be in .. if the police have to keep stopping to deal with the armed teachers it may take them longer to find the shooter..  it's a no win situation..

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What happens when the police arrive?
Here's a couple of possibilities:
If the protector sees them first they don't point the gun at the police. And, unless they are in process of neutralizing the attacker, they are not actively shooting and will know that they should put their gun on the ground and keep their hands visible until the police have assessed the threat level.
Law enforcement officers are also trained in such matters.


--- Quote from: m morton on June 05, 2019, 10:32:22 AM --- you can't stop crazy. or random acts. or predict when a kid that is a good kid, gets picked on one too many times by bully's , and steals dads gun and wants to get even..  with the amount of school shooting over the past few years, the only thing that has been proven to 100% not work... GUN Free Zone law !!

--- End quote ---

I agree that life is unpredictable and that gun free zones are the problem. teachers know their students well, we cannot ignore that. Just because we don't know the future does not mean that we should not prepare in advance. Having an attitude that we should just give up or give in is what is wrong with society. Unless people take a realistic approach to solving these problems instead of just hoping a utopia manifests by means of tyrannical policies, we will never be able to prevent any destructive behaviors of evil in this world.
We need to be alert and be prepared. Period.

m morton:
100% agree that concealed carry should be allowed everywhere. and gun free zone law was the biggest POS law ever passed...

agreed that a honest person armed should be smart enough to not point their gun at uniformed police.. your in a high stress situation...    you could also have plain clothes defectives & off duty officers responding. and every "person" teacher or student that is stopped - is time , time ticking on the clock , even if it's a quick 1 minute pat down and handcuff and figure out if the person is a teacher at a later time. your an active shooter that 1 min could be?? one more room full of dead people? a few mags emptied  and swapped out... your trying to do good BUT the time wasted messing with you cost one more room to be shot up.. was the point i was trying to make .. and  it's a no win situation.  the history of school shooting, is the shooter strikes fast , keeps shooing till confronted , then shoots him self, or shot by police. this is why police don't stack up and wait out side any more, you get their you go in... more time wasted = more dead.

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