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Ashli Babbitt, Murdered?
Atrus:
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Sedition
Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state"
That appears to be a dictionary definition. They're probably going off the actual U.S. Code definition of sedition:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
So breaking into the Capitol while Congress is in session carrying out it's duties under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution (the highest "law" in the country) probably constitutes "by force ... prevent[ing], hinder[ing], or delay[ing] the execution of any law of the United States."
But my question is what does this discussion have to do with firearms ownership or the purpose of this group?
greg58:
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But my question is what does this discussion have to do with firearms ownership or the purpose of this group?
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I started this thread because I was wondering if I was the only one who saw inconsistencies and possibly media spin in reporting on a national story. I think if it was not a fit in this category a Moderator would have moved/removed the post. If I see posts that I don't like I move on.
Greg
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GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: Atrus on January 13, 2021, 11:53:58 AM ---"Quote
Sedition
Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state"
That appears to be a dictionary definition. They're probably going off the actual U.S. Code definition of sedition:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
So breaking into the Capitol while Congress is in session carrying out it's duties under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution (the highest "law" in the country) probably constitutes "by force ... prevent[ing], hinder[ing], or delay[ing] the execution of any law of the United States."
But my question is what does this discussion have to do with firearms ownership or the purpose of this group?
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You would be correct IF the protestors did break into the capital building. They did not break in. They were let in by the police, who opened the doors for them. IF you watched the video in my original post you could not help but notice that after the police opened the gates and doors to let them in they stood around with the people, laughing, joking and posing for selfies. And the MNM called them "violent rioters".
And what does this have to do with firearms ownership or the purpose of this group, you ask?
Let's ignore the use of firearms to defend yourself and your property from armed attackers, despite the fact that doing so results in being charged for various crimes by prosecutors in an increasing number of places in this country. Let's ignore the fact that a lot of gun owners do not view hunting animals with a firearm as a sport. I'm one of them. Shooting a "game" animal from 600 yards, or in a tree stand at 60 yards isn't really a sport. It is a form of precision target practice at the expense of animal that isn't (yet) needed as a source of food. So, if not for protection or for sport, then for what purpose would an American own a firearm and be proficient in its use?
America WAS the land of the free. The six enumerations in the 1st Amendment have been obliterated before our very eyes. Millions of people who disagree with Marxist philosophy are being de-platformed from social media sites by the powers that be. As someone once wrote: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".
--- Quote ---“Congress shall (1) make no law respecting an establishment of religion, (2) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (3) or abridging the freedom of speech, (4) or of the press; (5) or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, (6) and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
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Take freedom of religion. Some governors and mayors didn't make a law, they made "proclamations" or "decrees" canceling several of our rights: 1A(1) and 1A(2). Also, they shut down schools, colleges, factories, shipping, manufacture, and more, putting millions out of work and forcing them into government assistance. This despite that fact that the CDC has reported that for almost an entire year, between Feb 2, 2020 and Jan 4, 2021, a total of only 565 students between the ages of 5 and 24 have died of Covid-19, and all of them had pre-existing medical conditions. The vast majority of those who contract C19 are asymptomatic and Dr Fauci says, rightly so, that asymptomatic people are not transmitters. About 76% of those who died from C19 were 65+ years old or older, and 59% of ALL deaths were of people 85+ years old or older. Like me, at 79, they could die from just about anything in the next year. It is part of the process of getting very old.
The John Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center maps all the states and shows what Dr Fauci and the CDC stated, based on peer-reviewed research since 1946, that masks do not stop viruses, and hence mask mandates are useless unless your goal is to selectively repress certain parts of the population. Tje "New Cases" and "New Deaths" time curves for the majority of states look the same, regardless of if or when any mask mandates were imposed. Yet, the mandates remain in place. But not for all, as we learned when it was revealed that the child of Lincoln's mayor could play in a tennis tournament but all the other girls sports were canceled. How convenient. Here is an article on the CDC website using peer-reviewed research to establish that medical masks (and certainly not the cloth masks folks are wearing these days) do NOT work to stop virus infections:
--- Quote ---Face Masks
In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks
...
Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
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(Note: Flu is a DNA virus and Covid is an RNA virus. Mechanically, their behavior passing through a mask is the same)
Is America still the home of the brave? Time will tell. It is becoming increasingly obvious that many people like the idea of the gov paying for their subsistence (guaranteed income for food, housing, clothing) while they spend the money they make but don't report on partying and drugs. It's how the drug lords got rich.
As a co-founder of the NFOA once wrote:
--- Quote ---Dan W NFOA Co Founder
Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. J. F. K.
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You decide, Atrus. Was that, or is it still a mission of the NFOA? If not what good is the NOFA for? That you thought it was necessary to ask your question suggests to me that I spoke on the steps of the NE Capital building in 2012 during a rally in defense of the 2A for nothing. By the time Harris finishes her 12th year as POTUS the Constitution and BoR will be a document to which she gives lip service but the law will be a Manifesto. Those legal immigrants from Venezuela or those from China or Cuba or Russia who managed to escape to America will understand. But where will they go then? Where will you go?
zofoman:
--- Quote from: greg58 on January 12, 2021, 10:36:54 PM ---Still my question is, why has the shooter not been named in public as usually happens?
Me thinks if this had been a local officer that shot and killed a citizen during a protest. The name and picture of the shooter would be all over the media.
Wondering if the shooter may be a high level Govt. security person, we may never know.
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Sheesh....sometimes a simple question can.....well, never mind. To comment on the original posted question....Greg, I think in light of all that went on and the aftermath that continues, those in the police/security & legal side of things are going to be extra cautious before releasing any detailed information. I, for one, believe all will come out in due time but for the sake of not immediately touching off this group or that group or those far off left & right groups they have to be sure they have all the ducks in a row. It's sad what happened and it didn't have to be that way...common sense civility comes to mind.
Atrus:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on January 13, 2021, 07:21:47 PM ---You decide, Atrus. Was that, or is it still a mission of the NFOA?
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I'm only responding because you mentioned me by name, and to answer your question, no, I don't think this thread topic or COVID have anything to do with this organization's mission. You're free to disagree. Until the mods weigh in, you're free to post what you like. But on the same page, until the mods weigh in, I'm free to post that I don't think it's relevant to firearms ownership or laws. In my personal opinion, opening this group up to general political discussions is more harmful to its public image and consequently its ability to influence nonmembers on firearms laws than narrowly tailoring its mission. Again, you're free to disagree.
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