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Opusnbill7:

--- Quote from: omaharj on July 03, 2022, 06:35:46 AM ---I thought UPS was recently purchased by a Canadien company?
May have something to do with it

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Hadn't heard that, but if that's true, then they definitely may be fearing legal pressure at the corporate level from Trudeau's govt.

Jito463:

--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---Item 1:  It's not illegal for a company to destroy/refuse to ship products.  They're a private company.  It may be a stupid business decision and financially costly (as they'll likely be liable to replace the $ value in civil court), but not illegal.  Just like it's not illegal for a store to refuse service to a customer for not wearing shoes or a shirt if they choose to.  At *most* it's a contact violation/dispute and should be handled as such (in civil court)
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They could refuse to ship the products, yes.  However, they accepted the contract, and are obligated to either fulfill the shipment or return it to the original sender.  They don't have the right to steal property that doesn't belong to them.  That is illegal.


--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---Item 2: Obviously their lawyers have told them that in the present environment surrounding 80% lowers, they may have legal exposure since they are transferring them across state lines, placing them under the purview of the ATF (interstate commerce and all....).  May be a ****ty legal take, but again, as a private business, they can make their own choices.  I would think it would be smarter to return the products to the sender rather than destroy them, but I'm not their lawyer or CEO.
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Not just smarter, there is no legal precedent I'm aware of that lets a private company act as law enforcement.  And even law enforcement would need a warrant.  They can't just take something lawful at whim.


--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---If it was the USPS doing this, that would be a lot different, as they are a quasi-governmental agency.
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Even then, they can't just sieze property at whim.


--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---And again, you can call them out for "going woke", you can refuse to ship with them from now on, whatever.  That's your right, just like their right as a private company is to make this decision.
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There is no legal right to sieze property at whim.


--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---I love it when conservatives say that businesses should have the right to make their own decisions....right up until that decision disagrees with their personal beliefs.
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They don't have the right to violate the law.  What law allows them to steal products being shipped through their service?


--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM ---I'm more of a libertarian on this.  They should have the right to make their own decisions as a business and not be forced by the government to do things, and I should have the right to make my decision as a private person not to use them or sue them under contract law if they fail to fulfill an existing delivery/contract (instead of trying to have the government enforce "my" rules at a national/state level).  Isn't the free market wonderful?

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Theft of product is not "free market".  I challenge you to prove that this isn't theft.

Pardon any typos, I'm posting this from my phone.

Opusnbill7:
It's obvious you've made up your mind.  If it's theft, the shipper should get the cops involved.  It won't happen, and if they do they'll be told to sue UPS for the value of their shipped products that aren't delivered.

But believe what you want....I'm done arguing.

Opusnbill7:
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Jito463:

--- Quote from: Opusnbill7 on July 03, 2022, 03:15:46 PM ---It's obvious you've made up your mind.  If it's theft, the shipper should get the cops involved.  It won't happen, and if they do they'll be told to sue UPS for the value of their shipped products that aren't delivered.

But believe what you want....I'm done arguing.
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It would be more accurate to say that I'm convinced of what I'm saying.  If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't post it.  That said, I'm open to being convinced that I'm wrong, you just haven't provided a compelling argument that changes my mind.

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