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Should gun permits be easier?
FarmerRick:
Shawn - No need to "go home". I like a spirited debate and meant no disrespect.
Not everyone has the ability to enter the military. Not everyone can afford the time and cost for training. Not everyone can go shooting on a regular basis.
Yes, that would be ideal if everyone could, but does that make one person less worthy of the right of self-defense than someone else who can do those things?
I may not know all the fancy moves and tactical drills that some highly-trained operators know, but I WILL do what I can to protect myself and my family, if and when necessary. Would I like to learn those things? Sure, that would be great. Do I see a possibility for that in my future? Doubtful.
It is my opinion that there should be no permit necessary for me to carry any weapon I wish, in any manner I wish for any lawful purpose as stated in the Nebraska Constitution. A permit of some kind is not the deciding factor of whether I do good or bad things with any weapon I may carry on my person. My morals and values are the deciding factor, not some silly card.
The states of Alaska, Vermont, and Arizona seem to trust their residents to do the right thing when carrying a weapon, I see no reason that Nebraska could not do the same. If it weren't for the cities of Omaha and Lincoln, we might have that ability already.
DaveB:
I do beleive that a responsible person would like some kind of training when they first get into guns. But, it should not be required. I don't think anyone should have to fill out any forms to practice their rights. I still can't find where it is in the 2nd that we have to have formal training first. If someone elects to get trained, that is their right.
Mike M.:
I think Ne. CCW training requirements are fair, except for the cost, it should be less expensive.
Oh sure now you decide the training should be cheaper. Just my luck after taking the class the instructor decides the cost should be less.
Just kidin ya Shawn. You did a great job and taught me alot. Thanks.
quixnet:
Though I really like him, I just couldn't disagree with Sen. Christensen more on this one. Do we really want a large number of CHP holders out there in our future with little or no knowledge and a serious lack of training. Some of the students that we see are down right un-safe when they first come to us. Seldom do they have a clear understanding of the laws in general much less know when lethal force is justified and when it is not. Rarely do they have a clear understanding of the level of responsibility required when carrying in public etc etc etc.... Carrying a firearm in public and all if its ramifications has little to do hunters safety training.
Application Form
List your firearms experience:
"I've been around guns all my life" (translated.... 2500 hours playing Grand Theft Auto or watching gun fights on tv growing up)
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"Hunters Safety when I was a kid"
"I'm an avid duck hunter"
CCW training maybe the only training most of us ever get. It's designed to protect a new CHP holder from his/her own ignorance. I hate to be the bearer of bad news for some but some bad guys have had training. How will the new CHP know what it is they don't know? How can we be sure the new guy knows how to interact with law enforcement both in a regular trafic stop or in a life changing critical incident and so on?
A lack of knowledge and preparation for carrying a concealed firearm may get the new CHP holder, a family member or an innocent bystander injured or killed. I'm the last person that would want to prevent some one from having the ability to defend themselves. But what good is it if you don't know what you are doing and you end up unintentionally hurting someone innocent or yourself. Yes we have our 2nd ammendment rights but we also have a right to a one way trip to prison and financial ruin if we make a mistake. It would be interesting to hear Mr. Massad Ayoob's take on our discussion here.
I think its more a matter of priorities. For example some firearm owners will buy a fairly expensive firearm but dont think spending money on a simple safe to keep it out of the hands of children or unauthorized adults is a priority.
We have a responsibility to ourselves, our loved ones and the general public when it comes to building and maintaining our skills and knowledge of the use of firearms for self-defense. These skills are perishable, we should take every opportunity we can to train and continually strive to improve on our knowledge and skills. We would be foolish to think that our rite to carry concealed firearms could not be seriously diminished or lost if enough of us screw up out there and give the antis and the media what they want.
Our credibility as permit holders is important! Good training often requires time and money. Do we really think we are doing anyone a favor leaving it up to everyone to just figure it out? Will they train if they are not required to? Christensen said ?common sense? would dictate that people obtaining handguns to carry would obtain or have the proper safety training. Many come through our CCW courses with little or no prior training or experience. As is the case now, quite a few permit holders will not even bother to practice once in awhile at the range.
I wonder if new permit holders having less invested in training, certification, etc. would have the same respect for our still fairly new rite to carry in Nebraska? Would they have any idea or even care what it took to get it past. If it required little effort or expense, would they care that much if they did something to loose their permit. What they do out there in the public's eye will reflect on all of us as permit holders. We've been fortunate so far.
These courses are often what cultivates interest in further learning. They get a taste of what opportunities are out there for further training, sport shooting, NFOA assocation etc.
quixnet:
This will look real impressive on the back of our no guns no money cards...
As a Nebraska
Concealed Weapon Permit Holder:
? I have passed state and federal background checks for violent crimes and mental illness.
? I am at least 21 years of age
What do you know about your other customers?
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