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Why do people love the black rifles so much ?
SemperFiGuy:
Ronvandyn:
When you get tired of the .220 Swift--say, in about 10 years--you might wanna consider the .17Rem for your next caper.
It's a 4000+ fps round also, and it has One Very Redeeming Feature: You Can See What You Hit.
I started P-dogging with a .22-250 Remington XB, then a Remington 788 in .22-250, and then a Remington 788 in .223. In each of these calibers, without a spotter, the recoil usually took the scope off target. Couldn't see the results.
With the .17Rem, You Can See What You Hit. The shooter actually gets to see prairie dogs fly. Red Mist.
And--of course--the round is a Screamer. But....it's not Real Noisy.
The "experts" say that wind is a factor for the .17Rem. Yes, indeedy. Same way w/.223 & .22-250. With Nebraska's wild crosswinds, many's the time I've had to lead the .223 about 15 inches upwind to curve the bullet into Mr. PD.
So the wind's always a factor.
Come to think of it, you don't have to wait until you're tired of the .220 Swift.
sfg
Rich B:
I have yet to encounter a rifle that's as easy to shoot, easy to build, and that can put a lot of shots on target like an AR-15. They're light (sometimes), ergonomic, and can be anything you want it to be - a varmint gun, a short-barreled CQB rig, a Camp Perry trophy gun, a 1/2 MOA benchrest rifle, a deer rifle, a bear rifle, a paper puncher. And you can do it for $600 or $3,000.
Go prairie dog hunting and you'll be shooting a lot.
Shoot a 3-gun match and you'll be shooting a lot.
Take a carbine class and you'll be shooting a lot.
Inexpensive, standard capacity mags make it easy to do those things, as does relatively inexpensive ammunition.
I'm not sure where all the talk about unreliability and lots of small parts is coming from. I've seen the schematic and parts list for a Remington 700, and it is by no means a simple gun. The US military and several of our allies have been using the AR-15 (M16, M4, Mk12, etc.) for decades. The M16 is the longest serving standard issue rifle in the history of the country. Build it from quality components and maintain it, and you won't have problems. Buy gun show parts of unknown origin for 'a great price' and don't be surprised if the rifle craps the bed.
As for the .223 Rem (5.56 NATO), it performed well enough that the Soviets decided to make their own version (5.45x39) and so did the Chinese (5.8x42). Yes, the .223 is a bad deer cartridge and a bad long-range target cartridge. But for what Uncle Sam uses it for - two-legged critters - it is fine, especially with modern ammo such as Mk262.
Let's not forget the military heritage of the bolt-action rifle. It proved itself on the battlefield before it became a stalwart of hunting camps.
20nickels:
So Rich, why didn't you tell me all this before you turned me on to the AK?? ;D ;D
Rich B:
Ya see 20 nickels, it's all part of the plan.
Black rifle disease (BRD) is like drug addiction - you start with the small stuff, then you go big. You don't just jump into BRD with a LaRue OBR and a Dillon 1050. You start with an AK and some Wolf. Give 'em a taste, and they'll come back.
They want better optics. They want different stocks. Longer barrels. Different calibers. Lighter triggers. Chrome bolt carriers.
So the collection grows. An M4gery. An A4gery. A service rifle match gun. A varmint rig. A suppressed SBR.
At that point, the safe is overflowing with black guns. Then you buy a SCAR, a FAL, an FS2000, a Steyr Aug. The wife tries to ask some friends for an intervention, but they're all down at the range with you.
And then you become an enabler. You start helping others assemble lowers. You buy the tools for an upper receiver build and loan those out. You share reloading data for those sweet Hornady OTM bullets. When the old guy at the range has a Mini-14 jam up tight, you loan him your AR so he can finish the match.
Dan W:
True Dat...LOL
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