Millard South Shooting

[Hardwood83]

There are 2 different issues here. First the responsible party is the cowardly murderer that perpetrated this act. The other issue is the hand-wringers and opportunistic, tyrannical vultures that use these horrible circumstances to further their agenda to control others & infringe freedoms. They are 2 sides of the same worthless coin.

[NE Bull]

The "school security officer" hid behind his desk until the shooter left the building.  If this was an unarmed school employee, it reiterates that unarmed security is no security at all especially in the total absence of combat mindset.  If this was their assigned armed resource officer, words just fail me.

One article read that the officer was indeed unarmed.

This information also left me without words.  Some folks at work responded with, 'well he doesn't get paid enough to put his life on the line, just make the phone call.' BS!! As far as I'm concerned, you don't take a job as a school security for the money, whether off duty officer or rent a cop, you do it to protect the our children. If the mindset is not there to do the right thing when the time comes, then go home, your just takin' up space. (or as mama always said- crap or git of the pot!)

[A-FIXER]

The "school security officer" hid behind his desk until the shooter left the building.  If this was an unarmed school employee, it reiterates that unarmed security is no security at all especially in the total absence of combat mindset.  If this was their assigned armed resource officer, words just fail me.

One article read that the officer was indeed unarmed.

This information also left me without words.  Some folks at work responded with, 'well he doesn't get paid enough to put his life on the line, just make the phone call.' BS!! As far as I'm concerned, you don't take a job as a school security for the money, whether off duty officer or rent a cop, you do it to protect the our children. If the mindset is not there to do the right thing when the time comes, then go home, your just takin' up space. (or as mama always said- crap or git of the pot!)

I guess i'm in the same mind thought....I don't have the words, this also extends to those who do have ccw and if they could defend others in the time of evil..... I pray for those who were lost and left behind to deal with this tragic loss of life, and to moreso commit myself to training and mindset of protection of self and loved ones as well as the innocent.

[Roper]

A question that goes down a different line - is the father liable from either a criminal or civil standpoint since his son had access to his firearm?  I'm not interested in the fact that the father is a LEO, but rather from the standpoint that he was a lawful gun owner who's firearm was taken by someone who wasn't and committed a felony.

[FarmerRick]

A question that goes down a different line - is the father liable from either a criminal or civil standpoint since his son had access to his firearm?  I'm not interested in the fact that the father is a LEO, but rather from the standpoint that he was a lawful gun owner who's firearm was taken by someone who wasn't and committed a felony.

I'm betting Sen. Council will mention it sometime during the next 90 days.

[justsomeguy]

I'll bet the subject gets hushed because of the father's contacts.

[SBarry]

NFOA coming in on the side of the policeman may gain us some points with OPD.

The kid was lividly mad and had revenge on his mind. Gun, knife, ball bat or bomb, he wanted to kill someone, period. If he repected the rules, none of this would have happened.

Reminder to all, cop bashing will not be tolerated on the forum. We have many good members who are LEO.

[justsomeguy]

That post is NOT anti cop. It is anti double standard.

[SBarry]

Whoa, was not referring to any post yet, just reminding anyone who may post in the future. I agree with you Justsomeguy. If there was a problem with any post, member would be contacted directly and their post removed asap.

[DaveB]

How long did it take for the kid to enter the school and fire the first shot? Would even an armed guard have had enough time to stop this from happening? I think there would have only been one person shot, which is bad enough, but could it have been stopped by an armed guard? Maybe it would have been enough to draw enough attention that the Butler kid would not have been able to hit anyone.

Does Nebraska have a law that says guns have to be locked to keep minor children from being able to access them? The father is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life, even if he is found to be negligent, it was his gun. Hushed or not.

Maybe having armed guards would have kept the kid from even going into the school. I say Nebraska needs to set the standards for allowing faculty to be armed if they are legal to do so and are willing.

[Roper]

I guess that I don't understand how NFOA could gain by commenting at all on this tragedy. I doubt that we have near enough information to support or not the father.  If someone wants to start talking about how evil guns are, that's a different story. Maybe I'm way off base here and open to help in understanding our role here.

[SemperFiGuy]

Re:  Unarmed School Security Officer

News accounts indicate that the MSHS SSO was unarmed.

Because......Everybody Knows...Guns and Schools Don't Mix.   Gotta be 1000 feet away from the premises.

Therefore>>>>>>>It made Perfectly Good Sense for him to hunker down behind his desk when the Shooter pointed a Glock .40 at him.    Woulda been Pretty Stoopid just to stand there Unarmed, lookin' eyeballs at the Kid With a Smokin', Loaded Gun.   Who had just Shot the Living Daylights out of Two People.

Just a Random Thought Fer No Particular Reason.

sfg

[HuskerXDM]

I haven't read a lot of the stuff tonight, but it was my understanding the kid came in to the school, signed in at the security desk, then went to the principal's office... if that is true even an armed security officer wouldn't have stopped the shooting, but might have stopped the guy from leaving.

[bkoenig]

I guess that I don't understand how NFOA could gain by commenting at all on this tragedy. I doubt that we have near enough information to support or not the father.  If someone wants to start talking about how evil guns are, that's a different story. Maybe I'm way off base here and open to help in understanding our role here.

I think you're right, emotions are too high right now and we could easily come off as insensitive.

[Dan W]

Maybe having armed guards would have kept the kid from even going into the school. I say Nebraska needs to set the standards for allowing faculty to be armed if they are legal to do so and are willing.

Knowing that he had to fight his way in may have had a major impact on the decision to attack the school


ETA  I see now that may not have been the case.  I wonder  why the school security did not recognize the potential risk of allowing someone who had just been booted out earlier to return to the school without questioning their intentions.  Am I wrong to expect that would be a function of a security officer?

[Bill]

From what I heard, HuskerXDM is correct.

On the news tonight they said he came in the regular door, signed in with the security officer and asked to see the asst principal.

When he was escorted into her office he shot her 3 times, then met the principal in the doorway on his way out of the office and shot him.  Upon exiting the office he took a shot at a janitor and missed.  As he headed out the school's exit he covered the guard with the pistol.

Perhaps if the front door guard had been armed he might have shelved the idea, then again he might not have.

Honestly I'm not seeing a lot of flaws in the plan here.  He stole the gun while his father was out of the room,  broke into the garage to steal the car, and followed the school's rules upon entry. 

I think the kid just couldn't deal with some emotional turmoil and decided to take someone with him on his way out.

A sad, sad way for two lives to end, and countless others to be traumatized.

[Greybeard]

I guess that I should point out that, at least in Omaha Public Schools, Faculty is Teachers and Administrators. Staff is everyone else involved in supporting students and faculty. Therefore, the Security Officers are Staff. I doubt that many Faculty would want to be armed, academics being the way they are. Given the background of the Security Officers, at least when I worked as one, they are/were well suited and trained to be armed.

[HuskerXDM]

I guess that I should point out that, at least in Omaha Public Schools, Faculty is Teachers and Administrators. Staff is everyone else involved in supporting students and faculty. Therefore, the Security Officers are Staff. I doubt that many Faculty would want to be armed, academics being the way they are. Given the background of the Security Officers, at least when I worked as one, they are/were well suited and trained to be armed.

I'm faculty at a public school in Lincoln, and have very close friends where I work that know I carry away from school.  They expressed today that they wish I could be armed while working.  I wish I could too.

[Roper]

At some point it would be nice to have a sincere, rationale conversation w/ legislators and education leaders.  Perhaps we could sponsor a forum or listening session w/ key influencers and decision makers - after the emotions simmer down.  Just an idea.

[MikeF72]

That's a great idea Roper!  Even if it's just to sit down and discuss various aspects of the issue and hear all sides.  It might not solve it but it may present the opportunity for folks on all sides to "think outside the box" and consider other view points.