Author Topic: Really disturbing ATF story (Read 3208 times)

Bill · « **on:** January 19, 2011, 10:23:22 AM »

I know that's a bit of an oxymoron, but this is really disturbing.

The condensed version is that the ATF is smuggling guns into Mexico at the direction of people way up in the food chain, with the implication it's to inflate the number of guns able to be shown as coming from the US.

I'm not sure I buy it, but it might bear some scrutiny.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/is-project-gunwalker-about-to-bust-wide-open

Ronvandyn · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2011, 05:41:51 PM »

Much as it sounds like a conspiracy theorists dream, it actually sounds credible. Something that a left leaning government might actually try.

Ron

AAllen · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2011, 05:56:07 PM »

There is a lot of evidence to support this story. I has also come out in the last week or so that the firearms dealer in Texas that is the most often traced to in the "Mexican Gun Traces" had brought concerns to the ATF on sales, including sales of multiple guns to hispanics that had questionable ID. They were instructed to complete the sales and continue selling to these individuals by the ATF.

mizzly · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2011, 05:34:21 AM »

Quote from: AAllen on January 19, 2011, 05:56:07 PM

There is a lot of evidence to support this story. I has also come out in the last week or so that the firearms dealer in Texas that is the most often traced to in the "Mexican Gun Traces" had brought concerns to the ATF on sales, including sales of multiple guns to hispanics that had questionable ID. They were instructed to complete the sales and continue selling to these individuals by the ATF.

I hope he got that in writing or on tape.

Hardwood83 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:48:03 AM »

Very interesting- thank you for sharing it. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory guy, but I wouldn't put anything past this Administration.

ComputerCowboy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:06:24 AM »

Don't let your memory be shortened by whatever propaganda. We all know that the cia was proven to have sold drugs and guns to criminals time and time again with no plan to bring anyone to any kind of justice.

bubba803 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:27:36 AM »

Quote from: AAllen on January 19, 2011, 05:56:07 PM

There is a lot of evidence to support this story. I has also come out in the last week or so that the firearms dealer in Texas that is the most often traced to in the "Mexican Gun Traces" had brought concerns to the ATF on sales, including sales of multiple guns to hispanics that had questionable ID. They were instructed to complete the sales and continue selling to these individuals by the ATF.

How can the ATF make anyone sell a gun to someone else?

A-FIXER · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2011, 03:00:40 PM »

They can work with the justice branch, and others deeming to put pressure on you and your business via= tax,local codes,requirements of business,ect..ect..

AAllen · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2011, 03:25:59 PM »

If you don't you are not cooperating with an ongoing investigation, you can loose your FFL for that.

Eagle1 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2011, 05:56:02 PM »

If one doesn't have knowledge of an investigation then one would not be in violation. If he has knowledge of the investigation then he is hampering the investigation by talking about it.
What came first, chicken or egg?

A-FIXER · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:34:28 PM »

The one that got elected and decides for YOU....

Quote from: Eagle1 on January 23, 2011, 05:56:02 PM

If one doesn't have knowledge of an investigation then one would not be in violation. If he has knowledge of the investigation then he is hampering the investigation by talking about it.
What came first, chicken or egg?

The one that got elected! and decides for YOU.... About your egg question...

Bill · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:37:21 AM »

Follow up on this story, it seems to have gained some traction and supporting evidence. Of all the usual suspects CBS seems to be doing the heavy lifting. Surprising to say the least.

Here's a one of their stories: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20039251-10391695.html

When the ATF is telling their people to do something that looks good to the public, that has to be a bad sign. Maybe this can get some traction on ATF reform/defunding. (A guy can dream can't he?)

justsomeguy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2011, 11:57:48 AM »

The BATFE is rotten from the head down. There exists in the agency a culture of corruption that has been around for so long and runs so deep that I fear it can't be cleaned up without completely gutting the agency and starting over.

You can follow the story more closely here.http://www.cleanupatf.org/

And here.http://www.cleanupatf.org/mission.html

And here.http://cleanupatf.org/forums/

Bill · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:53:42 PM »

Ah they're in deep **** now. Rush picked up the story today.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2011, 08:30:29 PM »

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52414606/ATF-FOIA-Response

ATF FOIA from David Codrea

Lots of info in this ARFCOM thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1145029

Rodney Moorhead · « **Reply #15 on:** April 15, 2011, 11:49:23 AM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20053961-10391695.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/gunwalking_emails_041411.pdf

Lorimor · « **Reply #16 on:** April 15, 2011, 02:38:58 PM »

This is politics, pure n' simple. Another attempt to give the NRA and its ignorant bitterclingerer membership a black eye.

FarmerRick · « **Reply #17 on:** April 15, 2011, 02:46:29 PM »

I fail to see what any of this has to do with the NRA. Could you explain you line of thinking there?

Ronvandyn · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2011, 11:19:27 AM »

I have to agree with Rick, the NRA advocates for 2nd Amendment rights. They may not do it the way you like, or the way you prefer, but they do it, and quite effectively. I am a member, and proud of that.

Ron

Lorimor · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2011, 08:52:47 AM »

Quote from: FarmerRick on April 15, 2011, 02:46:29 PM

I fail to see what any of this has to do with the NRA. Could you explain you line of thinking there?

If this was directed at my comment, my response is this: The Obama Admin is no friend of the NRA. Do I need to say more?

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