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Dan W:
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Lorimor:

--- Quote from: JimP on February 15, 2011, 03:53:09 PM ---While it is a shame we can't protect our property, going out armed is a prudent thing, if you are going to go out.  They may move on when they see that you are watching them...... if not, you can tell them you called the police (which you should have).  If they continue to engage in their theft of vandalism, be a good witness.  If they have a problem with you being witness, and threaten you with bodily harm ..... well then, it sucks to be them.

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Have you not now just escalated the situation?  I remember a key phrase from the CCW class,  "Permit holders are held to a higher legal standard since they're armed with lethal force."  Hmmm....  

Avoid, evade, de-escalate....  

Confront?  I'm not so sure about that one.  

Husker_Fan:
I wasn't trying to stifle discussion, and I don't know the man personally.  I do know people who do, however, and even the Omaha metro is a small community.  I was just stating my opinion about name calling.  The guy obviously made several bad decisions regarding his gun handling.

I may not have made the same decision to go outside, but I wasn't there.  Going outside to figure out what is happening is IMHO not escalating the situation, especially if your weapon is concealed.  IMHO Encouraging those who are damaging or stealing your property to leave (without the use of force including displaying a weapon) would not be escalating the situation either.  If the vandals/burglars are out there and they threaten the person who went outside, it is not a defense of property issue.  It has become a self-defense situation like any other that is discussed here.

Of course, I am not the County Attorney who will make the decision of whether or not to charge someone.

Lorimor:
Let's just say I don't have a lot of faith in our judicial system. :) 

Playing this over in my mind, I can full well imagine the prosecution asking, "So you were safe in your home, yet you went outside?  ARMED? Were you HOPING for a fight?"

Personally, I think we have a right to defend home n' hearth.  However, given our upside down societal values in our increasingly hopey changey world, if bullets start flying in the above scenario, the defender may well find themselves in the crosshairs of the prosecution, provided of course, they survive the original encounter.  And I needn't explain that the jury will not be made up of "NRA types." :)

Who knows how the vandal punks will react?  Most likely they'll run, whether they see a weapon or not.  Then again, they may not.  There may be several and maybe they're all armed and willing to trade shots.  Who knows?



 

DaveB:
If someone is messing with my property, I am going out to get them away from it and off of my property. I do not have to idly stand by and watch it happen. Until I know what is going on, I am not required to call the police. Should they not immediately leave, my obligation is to first call the police, then make me and my family safe. I will not confront anyone on my property unarmed, I am not breaking any laws by carrying a gun on my property. Should the thugs turn towards me, I have done nothing to escalate the problem, they did. Then they will find that I was more prepared than they were. Bring on the DA and the jury, I will be ready for them also, everyone on every jury has had vandalism of one sort or another. The only ones that would hold it against someone for protecting their own would be the proud parents of the ones that got in trouble for it.

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