< Back to the Main Site

Author Topic: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car  (Read 1403 times)

Offline Dan W

  • NFOA Co-Founder
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2007
  • Location: Lincoln NE
  • Posts: 8143
University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« on: April 30, 2011, 05:04:31 PM »
     UK Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car              Wednesday, 27 April 2011 12:31

   The University of Kentucky has fired a graduate student and former anesthesia technician, Michael Mitchell, for keeping a gun in his car a mile away from the university hospital where he was employed.
The university then proceeded to try to deny Mitchell unemployment compensation by claiming, unsuccessfully, that he was fired for misconduct.  A hearing officer found against the University of Kentucky and in favor of Mitchell.   
All this, despite the fact that Mitchell had a Kentucky concealed carry permit, believed he had fully complied with Kentucky law governing concealed carry, and therefore cooperated fully with police and university authorities.   
And finally, Kentucky Revised Statutes sec. 27.020 seems to prevent a state institution like the University of Kentucky from interfering with the Second Amendment rights of a concealed carry permit holder.  That section holds, in part, that “[n]o person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit” a concealed carry permit holder from transporting a firearm in his vehicle in accordance with law.
So.......  What’s up with the University of Kentucky?
The answer is that it’s probably not much different from many Left-leaning universities.  After all, Virginia Tech fought hard and successfully to keep guns off its campus – nearly a year, to the day, before a crazed gunman killed 31 people on that campus.
Mitchell appealed a ruling from Fayette Circuit Court Judge Pamela Goodwine, who dismissed his suit against the University of Kentucky because its anti-gun animus “was not a violation of public policy.”

Judge Goodwine claims to have read U.S. Supreme Court language concerning “exceptions” to the Second Amendment.  This language is called “dictum” and is non-binding.
But Goodwine seems to have missed the point of the Supreme Court’s decision in Heller:  Americans have a constitutional right to use firearms to defend themselves.
Kentucky concealed carry permit holders aren’t a problem in America.  Rather, the problem is liberal anti-gun institutions who want to disarm their students and employees -– at the same time that they are adamantly incompetent in their efforts to protect persons on their property.
Mitchell appealed directly to the Kentucky Supreme Court, which voted 5-2 to hear his appeal.  A win in this lawsuit will end the illegal and discriminatory practice on the university.
ACTION:  Our friends at Kentucky Coalition to Carry Concealed (KC3) have set up a fund for Michael Mitchell’s legal defense.  Please visit https://www.kc3.com/donation.php to contribute to this important cause.  Any contribution, however small, to this effort to fight on behalf of the Second Amendment would be appreciated.   

   
Dan W    NFOA Co Founder
Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.   J. F. K.

Offline bkoenig

  • Gun Show Volunteer
  • Powder Benefactor
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2009
  • Location: Lincoln, NE
  • Posts: 3677
  • Aspiring cranky old gun nut
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 06:27:15 PM »
I started to read this and my blood began to boil.  I really hope the U of K gets taken to the cleaners on this.

Offline Mudinyeri

  • God, save us!
  • NFOA Full Member
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Location: Omaha
  • Posts: 3965
  • Run for the Hills
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 08:00:40 AM »
It's not clear in the article.  Was Mitchell's car parked on University property?  Did the University have an employee policy prohibiting guns in vehicles parked on University property?  If so, this isn't much different from other employers all over the country that have no-gun policies on company property and/or in company vehicles.

I'm not saying that I like those policies, but employers have the right to place conditions on an individual's employment.  If you accept a job and agree to your employer's policy, you may not have committed a crime but you may have exposed yourself to termination of employment.

It's a bit like drinking on company time or using company computers to peruse porn websites.  Neither is strictly illegal, but either could be an offense that would get you fired.

Offline HuskerXDM

  • 2014 NFOA Firearms Rights Champion
  • Powder Benefactor
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2010
  • Location: Lincoln, NE
  • Posts: 948
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 11:26:33 AM »
According to the first couple of lines he was parked a mile away.  I just don't see how this makes any sense.... if the car was a mile away, how did anyone find out about it?

Edit:  Here is an article I found with my friend Google. 

http://www.kentucky.com/2010/02/02/1120606/grad-student-sues-uk-over-being.html

It appears he was parked on university property and is arguing state law supersedes the university policy.  I would like to see this one play out, since the university receives (I am assuming) state and federal dollars.  I have no problem with a PRIVATE business owner setting his or her own rules, but I do have a problem with restrictions that are more strict than a state sets...when that entity gets state funding.

He has appealed to the State Supreme Court and they have agreed to review the case.  Hopefully he wins.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 11:34:45 AM by HuskerXDM »
The master has failed more than the beginner has even tried.

Offline Mudinyeri

  • God, save us!
  • NFOA Full Member
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Location: Omaha
  • Posts: 3965
  • Run for the Hills
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 12:51:06 PM »
According to the first couple of lines he was parked a mile away.  I just don't see how this makes any sense.... if the car was a mile away, how did anyone find out about it?

Edit:  Here is an article I found with my friend Google. 

http://www.kentucky.com/2010/02/02/1120606/grad-student-sues-uk-over-being.html

It appears he was parked on university property and is arguing state law supersedes the university policy.  I would like to see this one play out, since the university receives (I am assuming) state and federal dollars.  I have no problem with a PRIVATE business owner setting his or her own rules, but I do have a problem with restrictions that are more strict than a state sets...when that entity gets state funding.

He has appealed to the State Supreme Court and they have agreed to review the case.  Hopefully he wins.

Again, I'm not suggesting that I agree with a state-funded university limiting rights guaranteed by that state, but the guy knew the policy and chose to violate it.  There are other ways to go about getting policies changed.

I'd sure like to see him win the suit though.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 03:12:26 PM by Mudinyeri »

Offline Famous556

  • Lead Benefactor
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2009
  • Location: Close enough to Omaha for the convenience, far enough away to avoid the draconian laws
  • Posts: 137
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 08:35:38 PM »
It appears as though he was "caught" either wrong or right because he was yapping about it to someone at his work and another employee overheard them and reported him.  Although I don't agree with UK's decision to fire him or give him any trouble over it, it is always best to keep your mouth shut about such things... especially in a workplace.  I feel that my choice to carry concealed is my business and everyone else is on a need to know basis with very very few people needing to know.  While it IS his business to tell who he wants, it was also his choice to talk about it at work that started this mess. 

Again I don't agree with the University, just pointing out that keeping your trap shut about such things is a good way to not draw unwanted attention to yourself.
Human life and limb preservation specialist

Offline Mudinyeri

  • God, save us!
  • NFOA Full Member
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2010
  • Location: Omaha
  • Posts: 3965
  • Run for the Hills
Re: University of Kentucky Gun Owner Fired Over Gun in Car
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 09:13:45 PM »
Again I don't agree with the University, just pointing out that keeping your trap shut about such things is a good way to not draw unwanted attention to yourself.

Excellent point.