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Merged Canton Ohio PD Notification Arrest & Officer Conduct
metaldoc:
--- Quote ---Canton’s internal affairs unit has investigated 16 complaints involving Harless dating back to 2000.
He was reprimanded in one 2003 case. Harless and another officer were exonerated of using excessive force, but were given a letter of reprimand for not activating the in-car video camera at the scene per department policy.
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This guy is a walking time bomb and should be removed from law enforcement. He is dangerous.
--- Quote --- Harless, a 14-year department veteran, is under investigation, and was placed on paid administrative leave June 20, according to his personnel file.
He has been on sick leave since Monday, and the results of the internal affairs investigation will be presented at a disciplinary hearing, the chief said.
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With this video as proof he should be fired immediately, no paid leave, no sick leave.
Dan W:
I am going to merge all the threads on this topic
Ronvandyn:
I have to admit, I think about how to handle this type of encounter every time I leave the house while carrying. What I would do, how they will respond, etc. But I have never imagined a response from a LEO like that.
That video concerns me a great deal, scares me a bit (not something I admit very easy). I have heard that some Omaha officers have had reactions similar if somewhat more restrained than the one in the video. But my interactions with local Bellevue PD have to date been totally the opposite of what we see from Canton. A polite "Thank you" and on with business.
We have our own "duty to notify" clause here, and I have heard (here I believe) that handing the officer your permit along with your drivers license is not enough, you must verbally notify them. I really dont have a problem with that, I personally like and respect cops, and if it makes them more comfortable then I'll be glad to tell them all about my carry. But if one talks after being ordered to "shut up", isnt that refusing to obey a lawful order, and thereby you find yourself between a rock and a hard place? I dont have an answer.
I feel sorry for the driver of the car, he was scared out of his mind, that was obvious. But he kept it polite and reasonable even in the face of such a threatening manner by the officer. I hope I can keep that kind of composure if I am ever faced with a situation like that.
Ron
Lorimor:
It's an entirely unfortunate situation all the way around. Frankly, I think the LEO in question is wound a bit too tight for the job and needs to go. His days in law enforcement are over as far as I'm concerned.
I would hope I could maintain my cool in such a situation and just smile inwardly, knowing I would soon own half of whatever city the overheated LEO worked in. The more he threatened and screamed the more I'd sue.
I also would like to think I'd be a little more insistent in announcing my status, despite being told to "shut up." I'm not sure why he didn't tell attempt to inform the officer, the sane officer, who was searching the back seat at the time. Maybe he did and we couldn't hear it?
"Officer, I am a permit holder and I am carrying."
The driver did exercise poor judgment IMHO by being in a not-so-nice neighborhood at that time of night but that in no way excuses the behavior of the officer.
My encounters with NE LEO's thus far have been good and I have no reason to expect otherwise. I know a tiny percentage of local LEO's here locally have been much less than professional online but still I expect they would behave rationally live and in person.
HuskerXDM:
From reading some of the thread on the ohio site, their issue is that some LEOs are using the wording of Ohio's notification requirement to manipulate situations... like telling this driver to not speak, then saying they didn't notify immediately. They guy has his permit in his hand and seems to attempt to notify the officers a couple of times. I think this is nearly worst-case scenario.... the only way it could be worse is if the cop actually followed through on his threats.
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