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Re: Avoiding the gamer trap
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2011, 09:13:11 AM »
I will say, the July Rock Your Glock taught me one thing, a person cannot hit crap with sweat in his eyes in the scorching heat of 2:00 in the afternoon!

25 yards is a long way off, isn't it?  :)
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Re: Avoiding the gamer trap
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2011, 12:29:03 PM »
It does make one ponder how the likes of Alvin York and Audie Murphy were able to survive without tactical training and competion....just sayin'
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Re: Avoiding the gamer trap
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 04:26:25 PM »
sjwsti:

Seriously, I don't mean any attack on you with this late post on the topic (just now skimmed through it), but how many actual battles have you been in?  I have no idea, but if you are saying you are a better gun fighter because of your training, do you have anything to back that up?  Maybe you do.  For all I know, you're some special forces guy who's killed hundreds of people in close quarters gun fights.  I'm just curious.

I like to think I would perform well under stressful circumstances, such as a life-or-death self-defense event, but I'll never know until it happens.  Neither will anyone else.  Those who have experienced it may have total faith in their training, and no doubt there are some in that category.  For 99.9% of the rest of the world, all we can do is the best we can at any given time.  Neither I nor most of the other 99.9% of society is going to give up on defending ourselves simply because we know we haven't trained enough to be as good as you (or as you claim you are).

Again, I'm not trying to say that training isn't beneficial.  It's just not everyone's entire life objective.
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Re: Avoiding the gamer trap
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2012, 11:28:26 AM »
sjwsti:

Seriously, I don't mean any attack on you with this late post on the topic (just now skimmed through it), but how many actual battles have you been in?  I have no idea, but if you are saying you are a better gun fighter because of your training, do you have anything to back that up?  Maybe you do.  For all I know, you're some special forces guy who's killed hundreds of people in close quarters gun fights.  I'm just curious.

I like to think I would perform well under stressful circumstances, such as a life-or-death self-defense event, but I'll never know until it happens.  Neither will anyone else.  Those who have experienced it may have total faith in their training, and no doubt there are some in that category.  For 99.9% of the rest of the world, all we can do is the best we can at any given time.  Neither I nor most of the other 99.9% of society is going to give up on defending ourselves simply because we know we haven't trained enough to be as good as you (or as you claim you are).

Again, I'm not trying to say that training isn't beneficial.  It's just not everyone's entire life objective.

If you have something constructive to add to the discussion about sport shooting and self defense training I would love to hear it. But I'm guessing that IPSC/IDPA is another thing you just haven't had time for.

I have made my opinion of self defense training quite clear so I'm not sure what you want me to say. Does evidence exist proving the value of training, especially high stress training? Yes. Is there proof that you will perform better in a life or death situation after continued participation in realistic, high stress, force on force training? Yes.

So when you say that no one can know exactly how they will react in a gunfight, your wrong. 100%, no doubt about it, wrong. Don't take my word for it, the evidence is out there if you look for it. A good place to start would be to read Col. Dave Grossmans books "On Combat" and "On Killing".

As far as my qualifications go, if you or anyone else is interested in taking one of the classes that I offer I would be more that happy to discuss them in another section. But since I have a few free minutes I will address a couple of your questions here.

Am I a Spec Ops soldier who has killed hundreds, no. But I have learned hard won lessons from such men. Have I ever been in a gunfight? Nope, and God willing I never will be. But there are other life threatening situations other than gunfights that can test a persons mind and body that I have experienced.

Is self defense training my "life's objective"? No. I dedicate a couple hours a week to self defense training in order to better my own skills. I believe this also makes me a better instructor. I have a full time job in public safety, instruct at The Bullet Hole and recently have got on board to instruct with 88 Tactical. I have a family and a household to manage, I enjoy going to the gym, working on my hot rod and taking long walks on the beach.

All that aside, if you ever get tired of living with the self doubt that keeps coming across in your posts, PM me and I can help you turn that doubt into confidence. I can help you identify your strengths and improve on your weaknesses. Its not free, but nothing worthwhile ever is.

Right before Christmas, for the last couple of years, a friend of mine who is a powerlifter has sent me this link. Its his way of making sure I'm motivated, not slacking, and setting goals for the coming year. I think that for each reference to working out and bodybuilding you can replace them with shooting and self defense training. Some will be offended by it, others like myself will be inspired. Enjoy.

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Merry Christmas, Bob
by Chris Shugart


 "So, what are you doing for a living these days?" Bob asked me. We're sitting on the couch at one of those tedious holiday get-togethers, you know, the ones where you're supposed to be nice to family members you never see except during major holidays and funerals. I think Bob is my wife's brother-in-law's second cousin or something.

"I'm the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine," I say. Bob looks at me with a blank expression on his face, as if I'd just told him I sell handmade testicle warmers beside the freeway and was looking to open franchises across the nation.

"It's a bodybuilding magazine," I say.

Blank expression. Deer caught in the headlights. Ronnie Coleman doing trigonometry.

"Oh," Bob finally says, "I heard you were, like, one of those bodybuilder guys or something. So, what's that like, you know, working out every day and stuff? I just don't have time to lift weights all day, but I have been meaning to get rid of this beer belly." He takes another sip of beer. "What do you suggest?" Sip.

At first I was a little offended. I wanted to grab him up and say, "You can't tell I'm a bodybuilder?! Look at my ass! Now, if that's not a nice round squat-built piece of sirloin, I don't know what is! You think that comes naturally? I can crack walnuts with this puppy! Wanna see? Huh, punk? Do ya? Do ya?"

Then I realize this just might cause a scene and could cost me several Christmas presents. I was planning on returning any presents I got and using the money to buy a power rack, so I didn't want to jeopardize this gift getting opportunity. I also realized that old Bob probably had a certain preconceived image of a bodybuilder and I just didn't fit that image. I'm not gorilla huge; I weigh about 205 at 5'11" right now. (When I first started lifting I was a pudgy 159, so that's not too shabby.) Also, I wasn't wearing clown pants, a fluorescent string tank top, a hanky on my head and one of those little fanny packs. And isn't that what real bodybuilders are supposed to wear?

Bob continued to sit there drinking his Natural Light, smoking a cigarette and waiting for an answer, oblivious to the fact that he'd come this close to seeing some serious walnut- crunching ass power. I tried to figure out how I could explain to the average guy what the typical T-Man does and why he does it. How could I get him to understand what it is we do, how we feel, how we live? So I took a deep breath and told him something like this:

"Well, Bob, I guess you could use the term bodybuilder if you really need a label for what it is we do. Most of us actually don't stand on stage and compete, though. We lift weights and manipulate our diets so that we'll look good naked. Sure, it's healthy too, and we'll probably live a longer and more productive life than the average guy, but mostly it's about the naked thing. Truthfully, it goes beyond even that.

"Let's be honest here. We do it because of people like you, Bob. We look at you sitting there with your gut hanging over your belt and we watch you grunt and groan just getting out of a chair. Guys like you are our inspiration, Bob. You're better than Anthony Robbins, Bill Phillips, Deepak Chopra, and Zig ****ing Ziglar all wrapped up into one. We love it when guys like you talk about not having time to exercise. Every time we see you munching on a bag of potato chips, you inspire us. You're my shot in the arm, Bob, my living and breathing wake-up call, my own personal success coach.

"You want to know what it is we do? We overcome. We're too busy to train, too, but we overcome. We're too busy to prepare healthy meals and eat them five or six times a day, but we overcome. We can't always afford supplements, our genetics aren't perfect, and we don't always feel like going to the gym. Some of us used to be just like you, Bob, but guess what? We've overcome.

"We like to watch 'normal' people like you tell us about how they can't get in shape. We smile and nod sympathetically like we feel your pain, but actually, we're thinking that you're a pathetic piece of **** that needs to grow a spine and join a gym. You smile sheepishly and say that you just can't stay motivated and just can't stand that feeling of being sore. (For some reason you think that admitting your weaknesses somehow justifies them.) We listen to you ***** and moan. We watch you look for the easy way out. Because of people like you, Bob, we never miss a workout.

"You ask us for advice about diet and training and usually we politely offer some guidance, but deep inside we know you won't take our advice. You know that too. We smile and say, 'Hope that helps. Good luck,' but actually we're thinking, 'Boy, it would suck to be you.' We know that 99% of people won't listen to us. Once they hear that it takes hard work, sacrifice and discipline, they stop listening and tune us out.

"We know they wanted us to say that building a great body is easy, but it just isn't. This did not take five minutes a day on a TorsoTrack. We did not get this way in 12 short weeks using a Bowflex and the Suzanne Somers' 'Get Skinny' diet. A good body does not cost five easy payments of $39.95.

"We like it that while you're eating a candy bar and drinking Mountain Dew, we're sucking down a protein shake. You see, that makes it taste even better to us. While you're asleep we're either getting up early or staying up late, hitting the iron, pushing ourselves, learning, succeeding and failing and rising above the norm with every rep. Can you feel that, Bob? Can you relate? No? Good. This wouldn't be half as fun if you could.

"We do it because we absolutely and totally get off on it. We do it because people like you, Bob, either can't or won't. We do it because what we do in the gym transfers over into the rest of our lives and changes us, physically, mentally, maybe even spiritually. We do it because it beats watching fishing and golf on TV. By the way, do you know what it's like to turn the head of a beautiful woman because of the way you're built? It feels good, Bob. Damned good.

"When we're in the gym, we're in this indescribable euphoria zone. It's a feeling of being on, of being completely alive and aware. If you haven't been there, then it's like trying to describe color to a person who's been blind since birth. Within this haze of pleasure and pain, there's knowledge and power, self-discipline and self-reliance. If you do it long enough, Bob, there's even enlightenment. Sometimes, the answers to questions you didn't even know you had are sitting there on those rubber mats, wrapped up in a neat package of iron plates and bars.

"Want to lose that beer belly, Bob? I have a nutty idea. Put down the ****ing beer. I'll tell you what, Bob. Christmas morning I'm getting up real early and hitting the iron. I want to watch my daughter open her presents and spend the whole day with her, so this is the only time I have to train. The gym will be closed, so I'm going out in my garage to workout. You be at my house at six in the morning, okay? I'll be glad to help you get started on a weight training program. It'll be colder than Hillary Clinton's coochie in there, so dress warm.

"But let me tell you something, Bob. If you don't show up, don't bother asking me again. And don't you ever sit there and let me hear you ***** about your beer belly again. This is your chance, your big opportunity to break out of that rut. If you don't show up, Bob, you've learned a very important lesson about yourself, haven't you? You won't like that lesson.

"You won't like that feeling in the pit of your stomach either or that taste in your mouth. It will taste worse than defeat, Bob. Defeat tastes pretty goddamned nasty, but what you'll be experiencing will be much worse. It will be the knowledge that you're weak, mentally and physically. What's worse is that you'll have accepted that feeling. The feeling will always be with you. In the happiest moments of your life, it'll be there, lying under the surface like a malignant tumor. Ignore it at your own peril, Bob.

"Don't look at me like that either. This just may be the best Christmas present you'll get this year. Next Christmas, Bob, when I see you again, I'm going to be a little bigger, a little stronger, and a little leaner. What will you be? Will you still be making excuses? This is a gift, Bob, from me to you. I'm giving you the chance to look fate in those pretty eyes of hers and say, 'Step off, *****. This is my party and you're not invited.' What do you say, Bob? Monday, Christmas morning, 6am, my house. The ball's in your court."

Okay, so maybe that's not the exact words I used with Bob, but you get the picture. Will Bob show up Monday? I don't know, but I kind of doubt it. In fact, Bob will probably take me off his Christmas card list. He probably thinks I've got "too much Testosterone," like that's a bad thing. I think Bob is just stuck in a rut, and as the saying goes, the only difference between a rut and a grave is depth.

The way out of the rut is to make major changes in your life, most of which won't be too pleasant in the beginning. The opportunity to make those changes seldom comes as bluntly as I put it to Bob. Most of the time, that opportunity knocks very softly. What I did was basically give Bob a verbal slap in the face. You can react two ways to a slap. You can get angry at the person doing the slapping, or you can realize that he was just trying to get you to wake up and focus on what you really want and, more importantly, what it'll take to get it.

If you're a regular T-mag reader, I doubt you need to be called out like Bob. But maybe you've caught yourself slacking a little here lately. Maybe you've missed a few workouts or maybe you started a little too early on the usual holiday feasting, like, say, back in September. Just remember that the time to start working on that summer body is now. The time to get rid of those bad habits that hold you back in the gym is now. You want to look totally different by next Christmas? Start now. This isn't because of the holidays or any corny New Year's resolutions either. The best time is always now.

Christmas day I want you to enjoy being with your family and friends. I want you to open presents, sip a little eggnog and have a good meal. But if your regularily scheduled workout happens to fall on December 25th, what will you be doing at six o'clock that morning?

That's what separates us from guys like Bob.


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Re: Avoiding the gamer trap
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2012, 11:41:39 AM »
For what its worth.. Ayoob has a nice write up related to said topic in the current issue of "GUNS" magazine.