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Tens of thousands in Wisconsin apply for concealed carry permit
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Tens of thousands in Wisconsin apply for concealed carry permit
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-tens-of-thousands-in-wisconsin-apply-for-concealed-carry-permit-20111124,0,2763315.story
A gun shop manager in Tinley Park shows a quick-draw belt holster. (David Pierini/Chicago Tribune)
10:30 a.m. CST, November 24, 2011
Wisconsin's concealed carry law isn't even a month old, but thousands of your friends and neighbors already have permission to pack heat and they're buying up the hardware to do it.
Wisconsin became the 49th state to allow residents to carry concealed weapons this month. Questions about liability still linger, but gun sales have increased across the state and the state Justice Department has been deluged with so many permit requests it's already scrambling to keep up.
"Long time coming," said Matt Slavik, 58, of Brookfield. He hand-filed applications for himself and his wife at the Justice Department's Capitol office on the morning of Nov. 1, the first day the new law was in effect. He said he got permit No. 20 in the mail two days later; his wife got No. 86 a day after him. "It's been wonderful, just to put the sidearm on as I start the day. I just keep it underneath my shirt and nobody knows. It's very comfortable."
The National Rifle Association had pushed concealed carry legislation in Wisconsin for most of the last decade but kept running into former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle's veto. Republicans took control of the Legislature and the governor's office last year, though, and made concealed carry one of their top priorities. Gov. Scott Walker finally signed a bill this summer.
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OnTheFly:
--- Quote ---The law grants immunity to property owners who allow concealed weapons in their establishments, but does not address the issue for property owners who bar them. That omission has given rise to a legal theory that owners who ban concealed weapons could be liable for injuries someone suffers in a shoot-out because the owners prevented the wounded from defending themselves.
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IMHO that is the way it should be. A property owner has the right to prohibit weapons on their property, but once they do that, in my mind they become responsible for my safety from others who would do me harm.
Fly
bkoenig:
--- Quote from: OnTheFly on November 25, 2011, 11:18:15 PM ---IMHO that is the way it should be. A property owner has the right to prohibit weapons on their property, but once they do that, in my mind they become responsible for my safety from others who would do me harm.
Fly
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Amen, brother.
OnTheFly:
I am surprised my comment has not ignited a spirited debate. I DO firmly believe in a property owner's or business proprietor's right to control what happens on their property, but when they remove a person's right to defend themselves against a criminal who would likely be armed with more than a stick, how can they not be responsible?
Maybe this has been tested in the courts and failed. If not, I would love to see this tested on a (preferably large) business. Though I am not sure if that is something the SAF or other strongly pro-gun organization would want to fund up to the highest court. Mind you I am not a sue happy person. I think suits are way over used in the US. If a robber comes into a gun friendly business and causes someone harm, then the owner should not be held liable since there was nothing keeping the victim from exercising their rights and defending themselves. On the other hand, if you have said I can not have any means of defense on your property, then you either had better screen everyone entering the establishment or provide full-time armed security.
Other than that...I don't have an opinion.
Fly
Ronvandyn:
I dont beleive you are going to get a firestorm of comments here because of your view. I think most of us would agree with it. I know I do. Its also one of the reasons that I dont frequent establishments that prohibit CC unless I absolutely must.
Ron
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