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Author Topic: S. 1867-National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 how much does anyone know?  (Read 3025 times)

Offline bkoenig

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I'm all for protecting the right to hire mercenaries in one's private capacity, however. :)

I think we need to bring back Letters of Marque.  That would take care of that Somali pirate problem.   ;D

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That's why I fully support hiring companies like the former Blackwater to go in and sort it all out. 

Careful with that axe, Eugene ...... the slippery slope would have Blackwater, et. al. working here ...... and I, for one, would be against them.  The day "private security" showed up in Mudville and started giving orders like they were the civil government is the day that ...... well, all hell broke loose in Mudville.
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Careful with that axe, Eugene ...... the slippery slope would have Blackwater, et. al. working here ...... and I, for one, would be against them.  The day "private security" showed up in Mudville and started giving orders like they were the civil government is the day that ...... well, all hell broke loose in Mudville.

I think you missed the "Kidding of course" he had hidden at the end......

I still want to outfit my own privateer, though.

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I still want to outfit my own privateer, though.

What we need is someone who owns a good, armed submarine.  After about 6 months of sinking Somali pirates (given good intel from enough helpful people).....ah, just think about it...
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\"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn\'t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.\"

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So why would Surfire support s.1867?  Has anyone heard about this?  I read this in an article from The Daily Reckoning - a newsletter that I subscribe to:

The Intel Hub
December 20, 2011

According to reports from the Daily Kos and Russia Today, a company specializing in night raid equipment was awarded a 23 million dollar contract from the Department of Defense and subsequently went on to lobby for the NDAA which has given the government the power to indefinitely detain American citizens.

Surefire LLC openly lobbied for the House version of the NDAA, a bill many have claimed has effectively ended the Bill of Rights, months after receiving the 23 million dollar contact from the DOD.

Why would this company be receiving a contract which could outfit at least 30,000 troops with new and updated night raid equipment when the US is supposedly pulling troops out of Iraq and, to a smaller extent, Afghanistan?

Why has this same company gone on to lobby for a bill that has turned the United States into a war zone?

From the Daily Kos:

So what does Surefire make? In a word, night-raid equipment, with a fresh new $23 million contract from the DoD even as we saw troops pulling out of Iraq and they are about to pull out of Afghanistan.

The product catalog main categories read things like “weapon lights, helmet lights, sound suppressors, high capacity magazines.” The equipment is relatively cheap, not big ticket items in Defense Department terms. That means this is a big contract. A $23 million contract would buy enough of these things to outfit maybe 50,000 soldiers.

If we are pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan, what is all this stuff for? Night-raid gear? These are basically made to blind people as they awake from you busting down their door, not for open combat.

In a night firefight you don’t want any lights near you whatsoever. That gives the other guy an easy target.
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There appears to be a sister bill to the NDAA. It is S.1698 and appears to set the table for the NDAA Bill.

Best reading is after the add for iodine about half way down.

http://www.newswithviews.com/LeMieux/michael160.htm

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I didn't read the whole article (for lack of time at the moment), and I don't know if I'd go along with this senate proposal or not, but it doesn't seem that the author read the bill closely.  It says these targeted people must commit one of these (terroristic) acts with the "intention" of relinquishing their citizenship.  That's a big difference to me than people simply opposed to government policies and wishing to change them through protest.  Even if someone weren't intent on relinquishing their citizenship, if they were to commit terroristic acts (blowing up buildings in protest for example), they ought to be executed or deported at the very least.
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