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OnTheFly:
Greetings all,
I am looking at gun safes at Orscheln and Tractor Supply. Comparable products...Cannon, Liberty, and Winchester.
20 cubic foot/22-24 long guns
http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/gun-safe-20-cubic-ft-gloss-black/ctl16754/cp58278/si5182864/cl1/
http://www.tractorsupply.com/winchester-reg-gun-safe-24-gun-capacity-1043297
http://www.tractorsupply.com/cannon-safe-model-6028-19-44-cu-ft--1015639
Fat Boy Jr./
http://www.orschelnfarmhome.com/fatboy-jr-48-gun-safe/ctl16754/cp58278/si5522650/cl1/
http://www.tractorsupply.com/cannon-gun-safe-ts6040-60-in-h-36-gun-capacity-3910204
A few questions...
Does anyone have any advice about mechanical or electronic locks? I've read a few reviews complaining about electronic locks.
Any general comment about the brands sold at these two stores?
If I could, I would drop two or three thousand dollars on a really nice safe, but that is not going to happen unless I win the lottery.
Fly
RobertH:
i have an el cheapo safe. if i had the money i would get...
1. good amount fireproofing
2. roomy safe. guns multiply.
3. electronic pad and maybe a keyed backup entry
4. heavy and bulky enough that most bad guys would go after my TV's or other things first, since it would be easier to get.
i asked a few questions over at ar15.com a couple of years ago. and from what i was told a crook will break into any safe, its just a matter of time and determination.
00BUCK:
I have a dial lock on mine. Electronic is quicker but if you fat-finger it 3 times in a row you are usually locked out for 15 minutes. Not acceptable to me in a SHTF situation, but that is just my preference.
Lmbass14:
Did a lot of research on safes. In a nutshell RobertH is pretty much on target. The following are my findings:
- Don't buys safes from Mexico or foreign countries. Tractor Supply have safes that are made in Mexico. Liberty, Canon and Fort Knox (there may be more but these are the ones I'm most familiar with) are made in U.S.A.
- Fire rating should be longer than how fast the fire dept. can respond to your house + 30 min. just in case they are on another call. And at least 95,000 btu's. The bottom line is to make sure that the interior of the safe stays as cool as possible.
- Locking bolts should be at least 1 1/8 in dia. on all four sides. Some expensive safes have locking bolts on the corners also since that is the weakest part of a safe.
- Hinges should be on the outside (door open wider), a common statement is than the BG's can cut the hinges. Don't think so. First off, the BG time is limited so they need to bring a portable torch or saws all and 2nd the longer throw of bolts and pry guards on the safe will make the BG life harder.
- Should have interior lighting and humidity control.
- Like RobertH said, guns procreate so get a safe 1 and 1/2 times of your long guns.
- The safe should be bolted down (either floor or wall). That way the bad guys can't tip it over for easier access or remove it from the home. Not in the garage. In the basement out of view.
- The better safes have 11 gauge sheet metal or thicker ( lower number is thicker)
- Electronic vs Dial - mixed emotions on that one, but get the brand should be Sargent and Greenleaf (they make the best locks).
- Place a "Black Powder Inside" label on the safe even though you don't have any. The BG don't know either.
- Buy the best safe you can afford.
- Have them deliver and install the safe. Might cost a couple hundred more, but to me it's worth it. That way I don't have to visit the back cracker. Not curbside. Good safes weigh 800 lbs +, plus they do that for a living.
Can't think of anything else worth noting.
Bernie
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: Lmbass14 on December 21, 2011, 08:02:28 AM ---- Don't buys safes from Mexico or foreign countries. Tractor Supply have safes that are made in Mexico. Liberty, Canon and Fort Knox (there may be more but these are the ones I'm most familiar with) are made in U.S.A.
--- End quote ---
I'm a little confused on this statement. You say that Tractor Supply has safes that are made in Mexico, but then you say that Cannon is made in the U.S.A. However, Tractor Supply is advertising Cannon safes. What am I not understanding here?
Thanks,
Fly
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