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carry a loaded Glock with one in the chamber?
unfy:
--- Quote from: armed and humorous on January 03, 2012, 12:51:39 PM ---"... because people treat them with respect. I once had a pistol fired into the ground 2 feet from me because the shooter thought the chamber was empty, so it would be safe to dry-fire."
--- End quote ---
To get away from aggressiveness, uhhhh someone forgot one of the several #1 rules of any firearm, it's ALWAYS loaded, and should ALWAYS be pointed in a safe direction :(.
This would just be carelessness and deserve a good thump on the head :(.
HuskerXDM:
A&H my link to the article was only to facilitate discussion. Carry with one in the chamber. Don't carry with one in the chamber. I don't care. I choose to carry with one in the chamber. When I was new to CC I didn't carry one in the chamber, now I do.
DanClrk51:
A&H & Shawn:
As far as the scenario with the guy shooting himself in the heat of the moment because he didn't keep his finger off the trigger until he was ready to shoot:
You don't need to take an advanced training class to master keeping your finger off the trigger. That's something simple that you yourself can practice. And its not hard. Safe gun handling is a state of mind and just a matter of practice/repetition.
.....I'm thinking an overwhelming majority of those folks mentioned in the Armed Citizen section of the NRA magazine had any advanced training let alone any training beyond their hunter safety course or own practice on the range. If determined enough, an individual does not need any training from professionals and could train him/herself by reading their gun manual, gun safety literature, gun safety videos etc. There are plenty of resources available from which one can train oneself to become a master without shelling out hundreds of dollars on advanced gun classes. The average person can get by on taking one basic class or a concealed carry class and then training/practicing on their own.
sjwsti:
DanClrk51,
I dont completely disagree. Someone that decides to put in the extra time to seek out references and videos and then regularly go to the range to practice can certainly attain a good level of proficiency.
I did just that years ago when I was shooting IPSC and IDPA. I never had any lessons and got pretty good through hard work and regular practice.
But I dont believe anyone can "master" any discipline by themselves. You just cant know everything. And there are things you will get from a professional instructor that you just cant get from a book or video.
The first shooting class I ever attended was put on by Gabe Suarez. My buddy and I honestly didn't think we would learn much but we had heard that this guy was a little crazy and he was teaching things that you couldn't get at the regular shooting schools. By the end of two days I had learned and done drills that I had never seen in a book, or ever even considered that I might need to know or do. It was one of the significant events in my life that changed the way I was training and the gear I was using.
So that couple of hundred dollars ended up being a good investment for me. I have yet to have a student complain that they were ripped off and didn't learn anything. In fact I'm usually told that they feel they got more than they were expecting. So, for them, it was also a good investment.
You are also right about the Armed Citizen, the vast majority of those accounts are from gun owners successfully defending themselves with little to no training.
But were is the section that shows the failures? Do you think they will feature the CCW holder beaten nearly to death in the other thread I posted? The fact is that there are many stories just like that one were armed citizens make wrong choices, or are unsuccessfull in using their weapon at all. You just have to look for them. Don't think that just because it was easy for some that it will be easy for you.
- Shawn
armed and humorous:
Shawn (and others):
I've been around long enough, and paid special attentiion to most anything I came across having to do with guns, to know that most experts (self-proclaimed or genuine) will tell you over and over again that even well-trained people have a difficult time when the situation becomes real. These experts will talk endlessly about the need to practice, practice, practice, until it's no longer your brain telling you what to do, but muscle memory (or something along those lines). We see examples of trained individuals failing to perform effectively all the time. I saw a video from a police car mounted camera of a traffic stop where two officers were trying to arrest a guy. The guy smacked one of the officers and then took off on foot. The two officers both emptied their pistols shooting at the guy and failed to hit him even once. They started shooting when he was only a few feet away from them. I'm sure you've all seen or heard about the LEO who was demonstating in front of a class of school children and shot himself in the foot. The stories go on and on.
Now, I realize many of these trained individuals have probably not had the degree of training that some of you here have had. Still, they've certainly had more training than the average Joe Blow.
It strikes me odd that so many here want the right to keep and bear arms for everyone, uninfringed, and yet they turn around and indicate that no one should be carrying a gun unless they are basically trained to the point of perfection.
Maybe, Shawn, you're not trying to imply that at all, but it sort of sounds that way.
I recently watched some videos (probably from a link off this forum) of people set up in a college lecture situation. One of the students was armed with a paint ball gun, and at some point in the lecture an armed man came in and started shooting (paint balls). This was repeated several times with different students, and none of them got off a shot, or at least were unable to shoot the attacker. At least one of these students was very familiar with guns and considered a good marksman, blah, blah, blah.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if we all believe in the second amendment, we can't be infringing on it by saying you have to be expertly trained before you should be allowed to carry. Hopefully, anyone carrying knows his/her weapon well enough that they don't shoot anyone by accident. If they are able to fend off an attacker, so much the better. If they can't, too bad for them, but I don't think we can take away their right to defend themselves just because they're not very good at it.
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