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carry a loaded Glock with one in the chamber?
kingtut:
All failures except failure of the primer to ignite the round happen during the cycling of the slide (failure to feed, failure to extract, etc.)
It would be nice to have at least one round ready to function ahead of time.
Shakey hands under extreme stress don't need an extra step to perform.
skydve76:
A glock and derivatives thereof are designed to be carried safely in a good holster when chambered. It cant fire by being bumped, dropped, thrown. You must pull the tigger pretty hard to get it to fire.
Now a 1911 which I carry and is a combat pistol, safety in terms of carrying is a 2nd consideration in the design of that gun. That gun can and will fire if handled improperly and requires more knowledge to do so.
Depending on the situation, I may chamber or not. If sitting in a classroom for hours (not public school type) I usually leave it unchambered for piece of mind. Walking around its chambered.
Make sure you have a good holster, no nylon. Get a blackhawk for OWB or don hume/kholster for IWB. A good holster will cost at least $50 for that gun. Stay away from the holsters at guns unlimited.
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: armed and humorous on January 05, 2012, 10:08:47 AM ---Dan (and Shawn):
I didn't really think Shawn meant people without adequate training shouldn't be allowed to carry, and I agree that the more training a person has, the better off we all are. However, even though most of us realize that, it doesn't mean we're going to go out and spend every spare minute of our time and all our spare cash to get more training. I had to drop my membership at the gun range last year because I had more important things to purchase with what money I still had. That's not to say, defending one's self isn't important. But, eating, having a roof over my head, and money for gas outweigh the slim chance that I'll ever need to defend myself with a gun.
As for the videos, I didn't remember exactly how I came across them in the first place, but as I said, I didn't necessarily buy the argument they were making, at least not from the setup they created.
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I thought this was a healthy conversation so I started another post so as not to detract from the OP's question.
What minimum level of training should a CHP holder strive for?
Fly
sparky:
--- Quote from: skydve76 on February 03, 2012, 01:08:03 PM ---
Get a blackhawk for OWB or don hume/kholster for IWB. A good holster will cost at least $50 for that gun.
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I hope your not saying that these are the only safe holster's to carry a 1911 in.
JimP:
--- Quote ---I recently watched some videos (probably from a link off this forum) of people set up in a college lecture situation. One of the students was armed with a paint ball gun, and at some point in the lecture an armed man came in and started shooting (paint balls). This was repeated several times with different students, and none of them got off a shot, or at least were unable to shoot the attacker. At least one of these students was very familiar with guns and considered a good marksman, blah, blah, blah.
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I saw the same thing, and noted that the "test" was rigged: the "armed man"/active shooter was a police officer that KNEW there was a student in the classroom with a concealed paintball gun, and that he should shoot the guy that did not duck and run or freeze....... and his gun was already out, while the CCW guy had to draw. I doubt anybody could pass that test..... put it on even footing, by not telling the the active shooter that there might be an adversary present, and it'd turn out completerly differently.....
The bottom line there is, by prohibiting guns to targets, you get guaranteed victims. By giving them a gun, you give them a chance, and good one, provided they have the element of surprise, regardless of their skill level.
--- Quote ---Now a 1911 which I carry and is a combat pistol, safety in terms of carrying is a 2nd consideration in the design of that gun. That gun can and will fire if handled improperly and requires more knowledge to do so.
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ANY gun can and will fire (when not intended!) if handled negligently..... but prohibiting Carry because someone might screw up/perform less than perfectly is akin to prohibiting cars because someone might get hurt or exceed the speed limit.
You should get training, yes, but everybody should be responsible for themselves. Making the State responsible for things always ends badly for free people, eventually, in that it makes them dependant upon the State...... and the State does not have the individual's well being uppermost in it's collective mind.
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