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Constitutional Carry in Nebraska! ~~POLL~~
DanClrk51:
--- Quote from: bradkoll on January 01, 2012, 03:47:07 PM ---I seem to be outnumbered here on this one. I voted no because there are too many people inexperienced with guns who would carry concealed and not be smart about it. They would not always use a holster, not use bullets meant for defense(meaning over penetration and possible injury of other people around), limited knowledge of their gun could mean they are a less than ideal shot also resulting in injury to others. And with no training on how to properly draw could alert the criminal they have a gun before they can unholster and make sure the weapon is ready to go (probably don't make sure it is always locked and loaded with safety off) meaning Mr./Mrs. bad person shoots them first. Scares me to picture some kid who was given his dads gun trying to be cool and showing it off in public. Too many accidents waiting to happen in my opinion. I turn 21 in less than 3 months and plan on getting a .22 pistol to learn my basics and gain enough confidence to make difficult shots before even getting a ccw pistol or training. My $.02 take it or leave it
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Hehe yes indeed you are ;)
Here's the deal. We have a constitutional right to carry weapons and asking the government for permission in order to exercise my rights makes those rights nothing but privileges. Then on top of asking permission they charge us a $100 fee to exercise said right along with mandating costly training that not everyone can afford. This comes pretty close to the Jim Crow laws don't ya think? Poll taxes in order to exercise your right to vote, Intelligence test to exercise your right to vote (all aimed towards poor blacks). In the same way the govt is discriminating against the poor and discouraging many from carrying firearms here in Nebraska today. This is one of the main reasons why I think our CCW numbers are so low here.......cost. And many of my gun owning friends have told me that is one of the main reasons they have not sought the permit.
In short........the Nebraska Handgun Permit Act really is a violation of our constitutional rights, however it is an improvement over the conditions we endured before this law was passed, so we took what we could get..........for now.
To address some of the points you raised, some states don't even let you own "self defense" bullets (hollow points). New Jersey would be one that comes to mind and if i remember correctly its a felony just to possess these. Obviously those laws are wrong, but my point is bullets are bullets. They are dangerous no matter what, over penetration is less of an issue if you can't even make every shot hit the target which police forces are well known for. And I do believe that several agencies out in the northeast states don't use hollow points but round nose but i could be wrong on that. Same thing I think is the case in all of Europe and most of the world. Again, please correct me if i'm wrong.
Even our well trained ex security guard Walgreen's hero (God bless him) fired 8 rounds and made 4 hit the gunman, course we could say 5 since an additional round went into the shotgun barrel, but regardless 3 bullets went to whatever was behind the bad guy.
As i have said in another post we need to recognize people's rights and allow no permit carry. If people break the law and hurt someone then we should punish them, but leave people alone that are minding their own business and not harming anyone by carrying concealed. To mitigate the accidents society needs to promote gun education/safety from an early age (including stuff like Eddie Eagle in Elemenatary), making Gun Safety 101 mandatory in High School and College/University. That's what I believe, take it or leave it ;)
Hardwood83:
--- Quote from: armed and humorous on January 01, 2012, 05:02:33 PM ---I'm going to abstain on this one. In theory, I agree with the idea that anyone who can legally own a gun ought to be able to carry it, concealed or not. On the other hand, I shudder to think how many people without a clue might decide to start packin' if they were allowed to do it concealed, no questions asked.
Since my renewed permit is good for another five years from today, I don't think I'll worry about it for now.
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--- Quote from: bradkoll on January 01, 2012, 03:47:07 PM ---I seem to be outnumbered here on this one. I voted no because there are too many people inexperienced with guns who would carry concealed and not be smart about it. They would not always use a holster, not use bullets meant for defense(meaning over penetration and possible injury of other people around), limited knowledge of their gun could mean they are a less than ideal shot also resulting in injury to others. And with no training on how to properly draw could alert the criminal they have a gun before they can unholster and make sure the weapon is ready to go (probably don't make sure it is always locked and loaded with safety off) meaning Mr./Mrs. bad person shoots them first. Scares me to picture some kid who was given his dads gun trying to be cool and showing it off in public. Too many accidents waiting to happen in my opinion. I turn 21 in less than 3 months and plan on getting a .22 pistol to learn my basics and gain enough confidence to make difficult shots before even getting a ccw pistol or training. My $.02 take it or leave it
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You are being reasonable and responsible in your approach to CC, I applaud that. However I disagree with you on 2 grounds, one practical and one in principle. First, this is fundamentally the same argument used against the current wave of Concealed carry over the last 20yrs: 'Everyone will have guns and there will be shoot-outs in the parking lots every day!' It hasn't happened. At all. More meaningful, it hasn't happened with Constitutional carry in Vermont, Alaska, Arizona (remember, Phoenix is a BIG city) or Wyoming. So the facts don't support your concerns.
Second, these Constitutional carry laws are merely recognizing the fact that the 2A already protects these rights (not grants them). Liberty IS a little scary- we have to depend on others to do the right thing with their freedoms- and if not they should be severely punished. As beneficial as 'shall-issue' laws are they're still infringement, plain & simple. Should you have to pass a 'course' prior to speaking your mind (exercising 1st Amendment) or have authorities issue you a permit to attend church? No, that is not Liberty.
Hardwood83:
Btw- could be a 5th added to the list? (the article mistakenly omits Wyoming)
NH considers making gun licenses optional:
http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-02/news/30581749_1_gun-licenses-gun-owners-bill
armed and humorous:
Hardwood83:
I'm not sure why my quote was included in your earlier post. I certainly did not make any dire predictions about bloodshed in the streets. I don't expect that there would be a lot of problems, and I agree that the CHP training is pretty basic and easy to pass, but still, some training is undoubtedly better than none. You could get people out there carrying that don't know the first thing about a gun. At least, in the course and test I took, you had to be able to load and fire the gun by yourself, and hit the man-sized target at least a few times. There are undoubtedly people out there naive enough to think that all you have to know is how to point it in the general direction and pull the trigger. Any worries I have are oriented more toward accidents than people indiscriminately shooting at others intentionally. I think those are valid concerns.
Still, I didn't say we shouldn't do it, just that I'm not voting in the poll. You could say it's a selfish attitude, but since I paid my dues and got my permit, I don't see it as a huge problem for others to do the same. I would agree that the cost is an issue. I don't know if we could expect training for much less than what is available, but I think the permit itself could be much cheaper.
Dtrain323i:
I support it and I'll be fine if NFOA lobbies for it, but I think we have other things we should accomplish first vis a vis true castle doctrine/stand your ground law and getting rid of the legal weight "no guns" signs carry. If a private property owners wants to put up a sign, that's his business. But we shouldn't have to face arrest if we don't see it.
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