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Need legislation to allow carry on university campuses
DanClrk51:
--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on April 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM ---The conclusion was that without changing the makeup of the Judiciary Committee, campus carry bills will die before reaching the floor.
The Senator was kind enough to take the time to explain how we could shake up the Committee in both the upcoming elections, and at the beginning of the next session, when committee members are selected.
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I told you so.... ;D
DanClrk51:
--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on April 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM ---We also discussed alternative methods, such as trying to push a bill through a different committee, such as the Education Committee.
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Now that is an interesting proposition :)
--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on April 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM ---As well as an Advanced CHP bill, while considered a potentially bad move with the current Judiciary Committee, could be a good route in the future.
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I think that would be a bad move period. The current committee would abuse the idea and if we change the committee to our liking then we wont have to push an ACHP because we would likely just be successfull in passing a bill that removes most gun free zones such as (banks, churches, colleges/universities, hospitals, trauma centers)
I don't think we'll ever be able to eliminate private property gun free zones by posted sign since that would trample on property rights. However we should continue to push for a law similar to Missouri's where violating a "no guns" sign would not constitute a criminal offense. You could only be charged with a petty infraction which would be on the level of a traffic violation and name it "minor trespass" if the property owner somehow found out you were carrying a concealed handgun on his/her property and you refused to leave after having been told to remove the handgun from the premises. Also this would only be a small fine ($50) and not a firearms offense. The fine should remain at $50 with minor trespass infraction for each and every subsequent occasion and you shall never lose your permit (Constitutional rights cannot and should not be taken away because of a simple trespass). The property owner retains the right to have you removed from the premises if they find out you are carrying a concealed handgun and the armed citizen therefore still retains his/her 2nd Amendment rights. Everybody is happy.
Dan W:
--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on April 18, 2012, 12:21:39 AM ---
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just_me_mongo:
To quote Wallace11Bravo:
"I am hoping to see an Advanced CCW bill put up in the next legislative session. The ACHP would require:
-some more training (20ish hours total)
-slightly more strict background check guidelines (recent alcohol related offenses)
PERHAPS cannot be on any prescription drugs that are intended to correct a social/mental issue
PERHAPS a requirement that the applicant has had a standard CHP for 2 years, or prior mil/LE/armed security experience, or is granted a waiver on the 2 year requirement by local sheriff.
PERHAPS a psychological screening, at the applicants expense AND/OR disclosure of individual's mental health records (Still waiting for a comprehensive report from a psychologist to see if such a thing would be fiscally feasible for most people, or even relevant/needed)."
I do not wish to argue- I cannot however support any such bill like this. This is even more restriction and infringement upon our rights.
The ACHP bill like this- absolutely NOT.
For me, this is just completely unacceptable.
I think that the CHP is the CHP. There should not be levels of it. We have too many law makers making laws without our consent.
There is absolutely no reason that students should not be allowed to carry on campus. In fact, given the number of students on campus, allowing the students to carry would be a great way to exercise constitutional rights.
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