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iiranger:
The first thing you must remember is that if you find yourself in this kind of confrontation, odds are HIGH, 90% plus, that your opponent will be all messed up on chemicals. Alcohol, anymore, is just what they "wash it down" with. SO, if you shoot, just one shot, even if you hit center, may not have much effect... Might make them mad... You want to be ready to shoot again as necessary. You might also miss. Adrenalin... shakes, dirty pants, etc. Ask a "combat veteran." Known two, CLOSE. Both said the same thing; 1),. Anyone who claims to "love combat" is probably lying about his/her experienceS or 2). he/she is NUTS!!!

You need to be prepared to take cover and hit 911 on cell phones (more than one) and hold your fire if at all possible. You shoot and you better have a GREAT criminal attorney on speed dial... No, the guy who did your parents will is not necessarily up to it... And the cops will not be sympathetic. You will be busted and booked etc. Roughly...

With this in mind, you pick your weapon knowing it might not work. With adrenalin pumping people do silly things. You might forget to take the safety off. MIGHT. Or load the gun...  20 gauges are nice inside because the recoil is less and if you hit with that load --target loads are plenty-- it will do almost as much damage as a 12 at close range while you can shoot again quicker. 410? Little light.

While the pistol grip configuration is somewhat handier inside, you give up the possibility of using the butt for a club. You swap someone with a "butt stroke" up into the chin or turn and use the whole butt against the chest or skull... Nice options. --If you know how, you can kill with the toe quite easily.

You might start by reading Audie Murphy's biography. He probably killed more white men in the 20th century than any other man. It is called combat. In his experience it was "The European Theater, WW II." Received every combat medal available including the Medal of Honor. Spent the rest of his life sleeping with a pistol under his pillow. Lost 3 wives who got tired of being pistol whipped in his nightmares. You just might want to save that last shell for yourself. Might.  Luck.

Rule#.308:
Boy iiranger you pretty much covered the bases.  While the firearms I have that are not in the safe which I consider "Home defense" are hand guns.  That being said, I cannot imagine a more fearsome weapon than a short yet legal 12 ga. loaded with Mr. DuPonts 00 buck shot, whether it be slide action (I prefer the 870 due to the safety loacation) or double barrel (hammerless with a thumb safety on the tang).  The U.S. Military knew full well how valuable the shotgun was in confined areas when they issued the "Trench gun" during WW I and it still in use to this day in one fashion or another.  You hit em in the chest with a load of buck and he's going down, I don't care how far into the ozone he is.

People talk alot about night sights, flashlights and so on, but the bottom line is some badass or group of same have just kicked your door in at 3 a.m. taking you away from the Swedish bikini team, and are moving through your house at a rapid rate on a pre conceived mission.  You have only seconds to wake up, get the crud out of your eyes, grab your weapon and respond.  Some of you may be trying to turn on your flash lights, which in my opinion only show the bad guys exactly where you are.  (Me, I want to be backed into a dark, tight corner where I can cover a wide area), In the mean time your significant other is screaming bloody murder, the kids are awake and hollering and you are praying to God the little tykes are not up and moving about checking out the ruckus. 

I guess all I am saying is, If God forbid, the worst happens, the last thing you want is a prolonged fire fight inside your house, the fact that you have 2 twenty round clips is great if you are involved in a seige, but best case scenario is bad guy comes in, you respond quicky and the bad guy is down and if there is more than one, in all probability they are beating feet from the report of the 12 ga. which has also awakened your neighbors.  This has all happened before your childrens feet hit the floor to investigate or your significant other could start sceaming.  I think Mr. Hickock summed it up best when he said "Take your time, but hurry up".  Bottom line is there is no better home defense weapon than a shot gun and shooting it from the hip is as easy as picking your nose when your blood is up.  Think of it as if you are sending 12 to 15 .20 caliber rounds of pure lead at high velocity down range every time you pull the trigger.  In real time that figures to at least 30 rounds a second if you have a good slide action.  By the way, as a side note, on most of the slides I have used, you only have to pull the trigger once if you continue to hold it down while working the slide vigorously.

A-FIXER:
Good sumatation, Rule that why a pisol grip style available for the mossberg 500 folding stock and front grip to(remove the recoil from just 1 hand). cost appx.99.00 cabelas last I looked and I as well like it dark I know my house better than them. the durabilty of the mossberg is akin to the remington 870 most police use the mossberg for the crusiers weapons of choice but most are now upgrading to the ar tactical of choice. I do agree that at point of contact you will not need sights or have it shoulderd to aim, but for the sake of others I put an laser on it and activate it with pressure switch. hope this helps.

iiranger:
Don't forget the Ithaca 37 shotguns. Lack of ejection port makes them slightly more short/handy, they are unbelieveably simple and reliable, and the company's business difficulties have made some real cheap. If you shoot you want to contain the shot, bird shot will do tremendous damage at close range and not penetrate multiple layers of wall board reliably... and when times comes for your defense... I grabbed the first shells I came to, I guess I had them out for quail...

As suggested, and i forgot, these animals tend to run in packs. You will NOT, in all likelihood, face "one."  As in the BS movies... And if you hit "it" and it goes down it will not lay there quietly... And on drugs... find a real combat vet if you can and ask... Some keep coming with parts shot away...  And as suggested, if you fire the gun into the floor or ceiling before they enter, the cowards are likely to flee with dirty underwear... most are not looking for a fight, easy pickin's or leave/RUN...

Any cell phone, charged, is, supposedly able to call 911. 911 gets two or three calls or more they will go nuts and respond with police, fire... (don't talk to them, let them wonder...) more good guys the merrier if you have not shot someone, let them... badges (color of law) which you DO NOT have... Have a couple more for the family members who can reach them to hit speed dial 911...

If you want to play games (you better be a "cold" MF)... hit speed dial in front of the invader THEN toss the phone onto a couch or papers or ??? (soft, you don't want it to break)... 90% of the time, the invader will try to reach the phone to turn off the call, and while he/she/it has turned away you buttstroke the head neck/back/spine, etc... and kill them without firing... !!! Saves ammo...

And the courts, outside the most rural jurisdictions, will not be sympathetic. You are cheating them out of work. Why they could lock this clown(s) up for many years, counsel him/her/it, --[MAKE MONEY, LOTS!]... You kill him, oh well... And you might have "over reacted" ... You did think your life was  in danger... silly person.. Ergo

If you have a pistol grip shotgun, well the persecuting attorney will argue to the jury that you are a blood thirsty animal who prepared for this day because you wanted to kill someone just to see what it feels like, cf Leopold and Lobe... And you stocked buckshot just to see the big holes and ... Read Ayoobs books, he covers it nicely...

Now if you (your attorney) can say, "I hunt birds"... (some, PETA and the like, will hate you immediately, anyway)  and I heard this ruckus and I reached for my bird gun and it went off into the floor/ceiling while I was trying to load it with shells left over from ???... and you let the "good guys" with badges shoot the rectal spinchters... a jury will be a whole lot more sympathetic... He was just trying to defend his family with his bird gun..." etc... Slobber, slobber... LUCK!!!

bob519:
Don't forget to consider that at night inside a building the db level as well as the muzzle flash is amplified.  If you leave your eyes open as you squeeze the trigger I can guarantee that your night vision will be destroyed for several moments.  Folks don't generally think to don hearing protection either as they grab their shotgun to ward off a home invasion.  It sure would suck to be blind AND deaf under such a circumstance.

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