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bullit:
My two cents after reading the  responses on this and other forums......  I don't fault the guy in anything he did having not been in his shoes.  Having been a victim of a violent assault, I can tell you all that goes on in your mind is SURVIVING.  Too many times the "tactics" are picked apart by those who have NOT been there and NOT done that.  There are multiple theories, OPINIONS, etc, etc on how to respond or what should have occured and on and on.....and I respect such.
Too many times we've (at least I have) read account after account of "trained" LEOS (dash cam videos), military (Audie Murphy, SGT York) and Spec Warfare operators who did what came "naturally" and solved the problem vice all the tactics they likely learned.  I offer the Walgreen's shooting in Omaha as more evidence.  I am NOT discounting training as I have spent untold hours and money garnering much for my self (and will continue to do so).  However,  I submit it may all fly out the window when the flag goes up.  This SEVENTY PLUS obviously physically limited old man solved the problem.  I can only hope I could respond as cool and collected as he did.  Yes, we can "learn" from his response, but I say take caution in over analyzing.  As far as shooting the exiting bad guys Florida statute provides for "use of deadly force on an unarmed robber, to stop its imminent commission, and escape or perfection of the robbery is considered part of the forcible felony of robbery"  I'm out.....

Lorimor:

--- Quote from: bullit on July 18, 2012, 10:14:10 AM ---My two cents after reading the  responses on this and other forums......  I don't fault the guy in anything he did having not been in his shoe.  Having been a victim of a violent assault, I can tell you all that goes on in your mind is SURVIVING.  Too many times the "tactics" are picked apart by those who have NOT been there and NOT done that.  There are multiple theories, OPINIONS, etc, etc on how to respond or what should have occured and on an on.....and I respect such.
Too many times we've (at least I have) read account after account of "trained" LEOS (dash cam videos), military (Audie Murphy, SGT York) and Spec Warfare operators who did what came "naturally" and solved the problem vice all the tactics they likely learned.  I offer the Walgreen's shooting in Omaha as more evidence.  I am NOT discounting training as I have spent untold hours and money garnering much for my self (and will continued to do so).  However,  I submit it may all fly out the window when the flag goes up.  This SEVENTY PLUS obviously physically limited old man solved the problem.  I can only hope I could respond as cool and collected as he did.  Yes, we can "learn" from his response, but I say take caution in over analyzing.  As far as shooting the exiting bad guys Florida statute provides for "use of deadly force on an unarmed robber, to stop its imminent commission, and escape or perfection of the robbery is considered part of the forcible felony of robbery"  I'm out.....

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You're right of course.  No one knows for certain how they'll react in a situation like this.  It's easy to MMQB this guy. 

I just hope I'm up and around at 71, let alone having the ability to take on two armed "tough guys."

bullit:
And here Lorimor I thought you were already 71 being on the Kitty Hawk and all......  GO NAVY...BEAT ARMY !!!

OnTheFly:
As a Check Airman for a passenger carrying aviation company, I review accidents, incidents, and mistakes that never develop into the first two items.  What we hope to glean from studying these events, is a better insight into the training or policies that will reinforce good habits should a pilot end up in one of these situations. 

As several have said here, this guy probably should have done the opposite of what he did.  And that information may help the rest of us as we contemplate what we would do in a similar situation.  It is easy to pick a person's performance apart, but you won't know what you will do until the time arises.  Those pilots who scoff at others for not doing the right thing are called armchair pilots.  Sometimes their evaluations are spot on and other times they are just blowing hot air to try and impress the world.  Having been in an accident myself, I refrain from throwing stones.  For my event, even though I performed as I trained, the outcome was still less than desirable.   This ultimately resulted in many armchair pilots across the state making erroneous assumptions about what I screwed up.

With that said, training, training, and then training some more will help to ingrain the desired automatic responses in a high pressure situation.  However, in the civilian world, who has the time to be that vigilant with their firearms/SD training?  Jobs, family, and other high priority items get in the way.  There are a few here who have made it their side job and passion.  Kudos to them, but that is not a realistic expectation for most of us.

Could we all do a little dry fire or practice some close quarters skills backed up with an occasional course instead of sitting down at the TV with a bag of Cheetos?  Probably, but that is about the best that most of us will be able to achieve.

Fly

Waltherfan:
I can see a reason to close the distance in this instance. He appears to be using a P3AT or LCP. Not the most accurate firearms on the market under ideal conditions. Add stress and that accuracy can become abysmal. By closing, he increases his odds of a hit and reduces the chance of missing the BGs and hitting bystanders.
Yes, it also increases the odds of getting hit with return fire but as others have mentioned, a lot of these low lifes are looking for sheep and will soil their pants at the appearance of a sheep dog. That doesn't mean it will always work that way of course.

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