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Don't mess with an old man. He'll just shoot you.
JimP:
Hooray for the Old Guy!..... now we need to see about taking up a collection to get him a serious caliber and some training!
Mindset, Skills, and Hardware. He has the most important one in spades.
JimP:
--- Quote ---No attempt to use any available cover
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He did at the end, after the perps went out the door, he moved to the left to get behind the door frame.
--- Quote ---......and why close the distance initially against an armed bad guy?
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Sometimes, the best defense is a rapid offense. The perp's back was turned, and he seized upon that opportunity. Timely "Good Enough" is vastly superior to perfect execution one second too late.
Your FoF excercises assume both sides want to win a gunfight that they know is going to happen. These guys were not expecting a gunfight. Our Hero got inside their OODA loop.
Armed robbers just want the money, and may or may not want to eliminate witnesses. They don't want to get shot. Failing that, they don't want to get killed. In a suprise attack from behind, running like hell was probably their best, and most likely, option.
66bigblock:
"internet cafe" in Florida is codeword for online gambling parlor. USUALLY filled with lots and lots of old people. These two guys were basically raiding the nursing home looking for easy targets.
too bad all they got was a good scare...
66bb
David Hineline:
I wonder if they can post bond with their EBT cards.
sjwsti:
--- Quote from: JimP on July 17, 2012, 10:02:47 PM ---Armed robbers just want the money, and may or may not want to eliminate witnesses. They don't want to get shot. Failing that, they don't want to get killed. In a suprise attack from behind, running like hell was probably their best, and most likely, option.
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Those are a lot of assumptions. To quote Col. Grossman "Hope isn't a strategy", wishfull thinking isn't a tactic.
I for one will expect that if someone is threatening me with a firearm they will shoot it (fear of death, serious bodily injury..). Either intentionally or unintentionally in my direction once I resist. If available, I will use movement, cover and distance to my advantage. The old guys forward movement in this instance was foolish and gained him nothing. There certainly are circumstances that would favor closing the distance but not this time. Just because he wasn't hurt, and this particular BG didn't want to fight, doesn't validate his poor response.
--- Quote from: JimP on July 17, 2012, 10:02:47 PM ---Your FoF exercises assume both sides want to win a gunfight that they know is going to happen. These guys were not expecting a gunfight. Our Hero got inside their OODA loop.
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You are right, the students have a pretty good idea that they will be shot at. And yet some don't use available cover or even abandon cover to get closer and shoot. Once we finish applying antiseptic to their welts and do it again, suddenly the use of cover, distance and lateral movement is suddenly a really good idea.
Self defense is more than just being aggressive and shooting. Ive got plenty of videos of good guys getting killed under very similar circumstances as this guy because a different bad guy showed up.
- Shawn
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