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open carry almost gone bad in lincoln
lneuke:
--- Quote from: Gunscribe on July 23, 2012, 10:39:30 PM ---"Open carrying in public is one heck of a way to NOT gain any support for gun rights, all it does is hurt our cause through creating additional fear. In our anti-gun society, it is not a good idea to be showing off our rights in the faces of gun-hating voters (especially when you have a CHP already)."
Anti-gun people want guns gone ... period. Open or concealed it doesn't matter. If you think keeping your guns covered or locked up in a safe is going to change any minds your deluded. If you don't like open carry don't do it.
When a large number of pro-gun people publically slam another large number of pro-gun people for their LEGAL method of carry it creates a divide that the anti-gun folks drive a wedge into. It is the reason we have all of those "sensible gun laws". Too many supposed pro-gun people siding with the anti's. We need this (fill in the blank law), see even pro-gun people are in favor of it.
It does not matter one wit whether you carry openly or only fondle your gun under your bed after midnight in a dark room the anti-gun people want you dissarmed. The sooner some of you get that and quit trying to placate the anti's the more that can be accomplished.
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If you're insinuating that I would be on the side of any "sensible gun law" then you are definitely mistaken. I agree that the issue of open vs concealed divides people to some extent, but I don't think that a healthy discussion such as this is hurting our cause and not allowing us to accomplish anything. I also agree with you that keeping our guns covered/in our safes is not going to change any minds, however, what it does do is keep people from panicking over a gun wielding citizen. You can't argue with that.
However, I want to ask, how is open carrying in a gun fearing community going to help our cause? What about the voters that are on the fence on this issue? I agree that there is probably no way to sway the majority of the anti-gun people, but why give them anything more that they could use against us to gain support for their side? The way they'll swing it is that we're a boastful bunch of 2nd Amendment supporters that live to tout our gun rights in the faces of those that are fearful of us.
bk09:
--- Quote from: Dan W on July 23, 2012, 08:15:22 PM ---All I can say is your timing is very poor considering recent events
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+1
Western part of the state people probably won't say a thing about open carry. In the liberal east part this is probably another story. I only open carry if I am out at a WMA or on my way to a WMA to hunt or fish. I would carry concealed but I'm still waiting for that dang permit...
cckyle:
First off, I realize the negative attention that OCing can bring, especially in certain places. I have OCed in the past, but since acquiring my CCW have only CCed daily for fear of others knowing I am actively practicing my right to keep and bear arms. Isn't that ironic, that we are scared of people knowing we are legally practicing a right because of what their reaction might be. (I know that's not the only reason) I realize the pros and cons. And I think that after that encounter and the replies to this post you likely will think twice about OCing again, at least in Lincoln. However seeing all the previous posts I'm going to bring a different perspective to this post, just because.
"Tackled you on the way in?" Wow, I don't even know what to say about that, other than that was uncalled for and idiotic. The ironic thing is that these same customers who were disgruntled with you would likely be the ones you would be defending should something bad happen. Not that guy who felt so big by stating he almost tackled you and certainly not the police who would arrive 20 min. after an occurrence. I'm not going to rag on you OCing, something that is legal and perfectly within your rights. I understand that it can draw bad attention, but I highly doubt any of these people in the grocery store will go to the polls bent solely on voting for whomever will abolish guns. Should they, they will be sad to find that candidate not on the ballot. I'm sure many didn't even notice your firearm, while some saw it but didn't think anything of it because they know our rights, others thought "what is that guy doing carrying a gun around" but didn't say anything, and the few you encountered decided to open their mouth about it. The last two obviously are uneducated and misinformed on something as simple as our 2A.
I know there are negative aspects but, a positive aspect of your encounter you did inform a few about our rights, and that what you were doing is perfectly legal. They may not have liked that but maybe next time they see someone OCing, they won't feel the need to open their mouth about it because you informed them that it is perfectly legal.
We have all seen the videos on youtube of those OCing and video taping their negative encounters with the public and/or police. I have seen some videos of a guy OCing and people actually asking him questions and him handing out pamplets and he seemed to be truly educating the public. He also after having some negative encounters with police, had videos of positive interaction where they would just stop see that it was him, have a casual conversation with him, and both go on their ways. I always wondered why the dispatcher doesn't simply say, "guy has a gun, that's legal." Or simply drive by say hi, see whomever isn't a danger and go on there way.
I have an acquaintance who frequently OC's everywhere around my town (a town of around 25k ppl 20 min from Omaha). One time I saw him at walmart, he was OCing and I stopped to talk to him. While talking to him I overheard a man and his daughter talking at the checkout behind us. The daughter said to her dad, "that guy has a gun." I then heard the dad say, "yes, he could be a cop, or a security guard, or anyone. It's ok for someone to have a gun as long as you aren't a bad guy". What a great example of how the media has slandered and biased ppl (the girls reaction), but yet the dad was obviously educated on our rights and able to inform her. I don't know whether he supported it or not, but at least he seemed to be knowledgable of our rights and respectful of them. I wish every OC encounter could be like this one.
From your post you don't seem like the kind of person OCing to prove how cool you are or that you a real man because you have a gun, or the kind that was purposely trying to draw attention to yourself. And when someone did say something to you you didn't freak out on them, and stated that you weren't rude to them. So I don't feel I can be judgmental of you.
Bottom line they want guns gone whether their on your hip or under your shirt. The mind set of, "a real man carries his gun on his hip, a criminal tries to conceal it," has gone. Originally we couldn't conceal it, but we could carry it openly. Then because less and less OCed, when someone did want to carry people weren't "comfortable" with it. So now we have to hide it and CC so no one knows it's there. We can't let anyone realize that we are practicing a right. If they knew we were practicing a right legally, they would wish to take it away. Kind of crazy to me when you think about it, but I guess that's the way it is. Sad though that we have to tip toe around our rights like we do.
wallace11bravo:
--- Quote from: cckyle on July 24, 2012, 02:45:14 AM --- Isn't that ironic, that we are scared of people knowing we are legally practicing a right because of what their reaction might be.
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Sad is what it is. A shame.
--- Quote from: Gunscribe on July 23, 2012, 10:39:30 PM ---Anti-gun people want guns gone ... period. Open or concealed it doesn't matter. If you think keeping your guns covered or locked up in a safe is going to change any minds your deluded.
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I do realize that they want guns gone no matter where they are. It is a matter of out-of-sight=out-of-mind. Once you start shoving it in their face, they become more adamant and active... you have "poked the bear" in a matter of speaking.
For reference on this: the AWB expired in 2004, I have not heard ANY real public outcry to reinstate it until this past week. Nothing changed except the fact that it is now public attention. Now I doubt someone OCing is going to make the news, but it still has an impression on those you encounter. I will say that given the scenario handed too him by "Mr. Ihaveanenourmouspenis" who stated that he almost tackled him, and others, that 'o' handled this encounter very well, and I would doubt there was any real negative consequences.
HuskerXDM:
--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on July 24, 2012, 09:23:39 AM --- I will say that given the scenario handed too him by "Mr. Ihaveanenourmouspenis" who stated that he almost tackled him,
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Most of the time when I say LOL, I didn't actually... this one I really did LOL
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