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Shooting in Westroads?
Kim:
From what I understand, the Chief of Police will be speaking on the subject of what "he, being the chief", would like to see in regards to ccw. Jay or Randy might have more information on this. I do not know his position, however would not be surprised if we see the same resistance that we saw in Nebraska City (at least in Plattsmouth I believe we have support of at least 2 members to date).
Yes, I would encourage all that can attend to the 1st meeting do so. This will show the council that we will not give up and we are serious. My plan is to have enough facts and statistics to enlighten them.
As far as to carry or not to carry.......
I feel that it is my right to carry, just as it is my right to breathe. I understand the frustration of when and where you can or can not carry is an issue however, like was stated earlier, the more people that want and can carry maybe the more weight we will have in trying to get things changed. The more people that show up at town meetings, at the legislative discussions and at business that prohibit concealed carry (to drop off a no guns no money card) the better.
Just like Westroads and the Church in Colorado, it can happen anywhere, anytime to anyone. My hope is that the lawmakers will now listen with an open mind and consider this wholeheartedly, instead of pacifying the few like I felt happened in Lincoln. We need to enlighten them on the facts that the criminals do not care who can or can not carry and where they can or cannot carry and commit a crime. This is the part that just floors me, the lawmakers are only setting up the law abiding citizens to be victims and don't see it.
Now, if I was at Westroads and carrying, what would I have done? This I can not answer. My mind has wrestled with this more than I would like to admit. Would I of, could I of positioned myself, fired my firearm and stopped the killer? That is a tough one. I have decided that when the weather clears, there will definetly be a practice area in the timber. I envision good guys, bad guys and movable targets (yes, Jay we have some work to do), but I feel that if I am going to have a firearm, I need to practice in as close to a real life "crisis" situation as possible and practice often.
I here more and more reasons why a person should have a firearm with them at all times, why I should have a firearm with me at all times. It scares me to think that, however, I am comfortable with the fact that firearms don't scare me anymore and that if in a "situation" at least I have that availability.
1hickey:
OK, I am sure I'm getting flamed for this, but I want some discussion anyway.
On the subject of the "No guns, no money" boycotting of businesses: Does anyone on this forum really believe that a few folks not shopping at a store and dropping off a card will change policies? There just simply aren't enough CCW folks in the state to make boycotting effective in policy change. Boycotts working is a numbers game. If a business thinks it has too much money to lose with a policy or product, they will change, but usually not until. You are going to need serious numbers or really serious publicity to make it effective.
Now don't hear what I'm not saying....by all means boycott businesses AND tell them why. But do it on moral principle. I boycott a few businesses for personal moral reasons already. I make such things known to friends and on applicable forums, but I don't really expect my boycott (and maybe a couple thousand others if I'm really lucky) to make a real policy difference in said businesses.
Look, I'm not at all trying to discourage anyone from boycotting a business, but if we want to effectively change the environment around us, I think there are more effective ways. I'm just looking at this from a pragmatic standpoint. Showing up at council meetings, state committee meetings, and flooding our representatives with intelligent pleas for change is the way to do it. We are fighting a public relations battle with this. Basic communication theory states that however far an individual or group is from your persuasion, that is a direct correlation to how unlikely it is to convince them otherwise. The folks we really want to communicate to are those who don't have a particular opinion, or do not have a passionate opinion.
Jim taking the neighbor boy shooting is huge- not only does the kid understand and respect the position, but his family will come to as well once they see what is really going on. IMHO, this is what we really need to engage in- education. If we sincerely want to make our little corner of the world a better place, people need to understand why. Our opponents have too much influence and volume. We need to be wise and change this for real.
Kim:
Matt, no, I do not think that me boycotting a business will change anything other than it might open a few eyes and if more and more people do the same, the business is question might reconsider. To me, it's all about education.
Jay:
Helloooo.... there are several instances in which businesses in Nebraska have taken down signs because of complaints and no guns = no money cards. I know it sounds like a cliche, but we really can make a difference. Sometimes it just takes someone intelligently pointing out a different way of seeing things.
1hickey:
Really? That's cool. Who was it, do you know?
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