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Affirmative Defense Vs CCP?

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JimP:
As evidenced in the "Grillz" shootout, if the proprieter wants to WIN any potential gunfight in his establishment, he'll just keep a RIFLE handy.

In a gunfight, winning is the only thing.

"If you think there might be a gunfight, the best option is to be somewhere else..... if that's not an option, bring a gun, preferably a big, long gun, and all your friends and aquaintances with their big, long guns....."



Randy:
Thank you Jay my thought path was there but definitely not my wording.

I agree with Jim P on the church carry issue. It would put a target on your back.

Have a friend who owns a bar in Millard 158th & Center. He does have a CCP.
In his situation he would be better off with out the CCP being the owner he could carry or have a firearm behind the bar legally.

This is a crock, but we are making strides in the right direction if this bill gets through.

California Governor Schwarzenegger just called for the banning of all firearms and to be scraped in one of his public statements.

schoolcop:
Arnold called for banning all handguns!!!??? What an a@#hole and hypocrite (?)!! He makes his fortune being an American movie action figure. He carry's all kinds of weapons and glorifies how weapons can be a life saving tool, that you can only get in the U.S., and not allowed in his native European area. I'll bet he also has armed state police body guards by his side 24/7. He then allows all kinds of illegal immigration into his state which also has massive violent crime problems and then decides, we'll get rid of guns. Yeah, what a great idea, that will help everything. All the criminals will hand in there weapons and the illegals will go back to Mexico. I get so frustrated reading about politicians solutions to problems that anyone with a lick of common sense knows are worthless ideas. Allow cops to arrest bad guys, stop plea bargaining deals amongst attys and force judges to put criminals in jail for along time. Instead of banning guns let's ban liberalism. Politicians have made California a state I would never even consider living in. I don't even want to vacation there. What a waste of a beautiful place.

wrenrj1:
While I'm not a lawyer, remember that a bar is private property.  I would not have a CCW permit if I carried in my own bar for the purposes of self-protection and the assumption that I would have an affirmative defense.  For people in this position I'd suggest the spend a couple hundred bucks and get a lawyer's opinion.

Thanks ChrisZ for your insights at your CCW course!

Chris Z:

--- Quote from: wrenrj1 on May 23, 2009, 08:18:23 PM ---While I'm not a lawyer, remember that a bar is private property.  I would not have a CCW permit if I carried in my own bar for the purposes of self-protection and the assumption that I would have an affirmative defense.  For people in this position I'd suggest the spend a couple hundred bucks and get a lawyer's opinion.

Thanks ChrisZ for your insights at your CCW course!

--- End quote ---

You are welcome! I agree if I owned a bar I would not get a CHP, rather I would just carry there under the Affirmative Defense

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