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Killers in body armor?
NE Bull:
http://news.yahoo.com/dead-man-found-calif-shooting-wearing-armor-213804940.html
"INGLEWOOD, Calif. (AP) — Police were nearly certain Sunday that a man found dead at the property where five members of a Southern California family were shot — two fatally — was the killer because he was wearing body armor, clutching a handgun and had a bullet hole in his head. ....."
Seeing more and more of these stories (thinking back to the Aurora, CO shooting also) where the criminal is outfitted in body armor. While the events are tragic, it does show that the criminals are/ must be aware that law abiding citizens can and may well be armed. Of course this fool (allegedly) ended up shooting himself? Maybe they don't understand, but from what I understand, getting shot with vests on still hurts like he!!, which SHOULD take the perp out of the fight. Correct?
Also leads to some What If questions:
So do we train for such things now, or does one continue to concentrate on center mass and let the threat fall where it may?
Aim lower (gut or groin area) or higher (neck/head area)?
Follow up shots then if threat is still present?
Should I be wearing armor , too?
Of course the Liberal Shepherds' answer will be that we need to ban all body armor, cause it makes people die.
jonm:
why not keep a mag of AP ammo? I dont know if there is a state law against it but there is no federal law against it.
bullit:
That is why you shoot to neutralize the threat.....wherever it takes....
CitizenClark:
--- Quote from: jonm on October 22, 2012, 10:15:24 AM ---why not keep a mag of AP ammo? I dont know if there is a state law against it but there is no federal law against it.
--- End quote ---
Better check 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7) & (8):
--- Quote ---"(a) It shall be unlawful—
...
(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless—
(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or
(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;
(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery—
(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or
(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;"
--- End quote ---
"Armor piercing ammunition" is defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17):
--- Quote ---"(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other
substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass,
bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25
percent of the total weight of the projectile.
(C) The term `armor piercing ammunition' does not include shotgun shot
required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting
purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile
which the Secretary finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting
purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Secretary
finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge
used in an oil and gas well perforating device."
--- End quote ---
See also http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/07/29/armor-piercing-ammo/
It seems to be okay to possess and acquire AP ammo, but finding it to purchase might be nigh unto impossible because of the federal restrictions on its manufacture and import.
jonm:
Federally speaking, it isnt illegal to buy, sell, or shoot. Only illegal to make or export.
EDIT
From your own link
--- Quote ---It’s perfectly legal to possess, purchase, sell or shoot armor piercing ammunition. It’s not legal to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition.
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