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Killers in body armor?
sjwsti:
--- Quote from: NE Bull on October 22, 2012, 09:38:07 AM ---getting shot with vests on still hurts like he!!, which SHOULD take the perp out of the fight. Correct?
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Dont count on it.
--- Quote ---So do we train for such things now, or does one continue to concentrate on center mass and let the threat fall where it may?
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Train for it now. Forget center of mass. Target area should be the head, neck and a hand size area below the adams apple. Targeting these areas will give you the best chance of stopping the threat quickly. If they are wearing armor you will likely be above the collar even with your initial shots.
--- Quote ---Aim lower (gut or groin area) or higher (neck/head area)?
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Forget the pelvic shot, unless thats the only area that is presented to shoot at. I have seen people shot in the lower abdomen/groin that were still able to move quite well. Just this week we responded to a shooting were a patient had a single wound from a high power rifle. The entrance was in the high upper thigh with the exit in the top part of their butt crack. This person was still able to run a ways and could still bear weight with little complaint of pain.
--- Quote ---Follow up shots then if threat is still present?
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Fire a burst into the upper chest. If there isnt an immediate effect shoot them in the face and neck until the threat stops.
--- Quote ---Should I be wearing armor , too?
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Its not very comfortable to wear everyday but there may be circumstances were it wouldnt be a bad idea.
Obviously the bad guys are using it. The Omaha gang unit has arrested several gang members who were illegally armed and wearing body armor. Its not very expensive nor difficult to obtain.
- Shawn
CitizenClark:
--- Quote from: jonm on October 22, 2012, 12:28:29 PM ---Federally speaking, it isnt illegal to buy, sell, or shoot. Only illegal to make or export.
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Hah, you beat me to it. I was just adding that clarification, clicked "post," and then saw your post. You are correct.
If you know of a good source of readily available AP ammunition that will work in a concealed carry handgun, link away.
jonm:
SS190-5.7x28mm ammo. Really pricy but readily available. I'd even bet that the new 40gr FMJ ammo from American Eagle will defeat soft body armor.
Almost any FMJ in 7.62x25
Edit
http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=13097
American Eagle 40gr FMJ will defeat Level II body armor
wallace11bravo:
Just wear a trench coat and pack an AT-4 as a secondary...
Don't forget to check your backblast area.
sidearm1:
Just some common sense. The average person (non LEO) will probably never encounter a person in body armor bent on doing them harm. What needs to be practiced is the failure to stop drill (depends on whose theory of attack you believe) This may be two to the body followed by one to the head. SJWSTI probably said it best. Shoot till the threat stops. Do these drills after you have run 100 yards, this will get you close to what it feels like when dealing with a life changing threat, two to the body one to the head (and yes, there are some well known experts that do say aim for the pelvic region, stop the perpetrators motion and then do what needs to be done. If he is still a threat shoot till the threat stops).
Carrying armor piercing ammo in a spare magazine. Your going to change mags how? Do you have cover, do you have distance? Now you got an armor piercing ammo in your weapon, the bad guy is on drugs, that is why your regular ammo failed, you now shoot him with armor piercing, no armor and the bullets go on forever until something stops them.
Thanks for letting me rant.
We will talk about operators and such later.
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