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How long to wait for CCW permit?
Bucket:
--- Quote from: Gary on March 19, 2013, 02:12:40 PM ---Are my posts here a soufflé recipe where the ingredients are so critical to the outcome of the meal?
How about I quote you? " It was pretty clear what you were implying"
If it is clear, it was only clear in your head, where you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I have been a gun dealer, I am a voting life member of the NRA, member GOA, member of several gun right organizations, and my wife is a state employee of 35 years. My wife and I fully support the Constitution as it was written, all of it.
However, zero tolerance is most always a bad thing.
If the fine folks at the NSP take 90 days to issue me a permit, I am not going to get my panties in a wad about it.
The Nebraska laws, the way they are interpreted, allow me my gun rights pretty well without this permit in my pocket, and I am not at wits end checking the mail daily. In fact, my wife and I check the mail about twice a week. The first few days my permit arrives, will go unnoticed in the mail box.
I have close friends that own a gun store. One of the largest in the state. They do not have CCW permits. Don't want them. Why? The Nebraska law already allows them, as just and prudent citizens of the State of Nebraska, to go about their business, with protection as they see fit. For them, as they see the law, they have less rights holding a permit. I cannot disagree with that line of reasoning, I see advantages in doing it from both sides.
I was a CCW permit holder in the 70's, in Iowa, Council Bluffs, a state where having one is not a right, it was an option to issue one by the local sheriff. Many people were denied, told they did not need one. All the years I owned a gun store, in Nebraska, the law served as my right to protect myself. Nothing has changed.
Now if I were all excited about getting my permit asap, I have exactly 384 more hours to wait. lol
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So you're okay with the NSP not complying with the law as it is written? It's one thing to say you are not in a rush to get your permit, but it's another to let the NSP exceed the deadline when there is clearly language in the law that compels them to do otherwise.
An issue like this goes well beyond gun rights, but goes instead to the role of government in society. Do you have the option to miss statutory deadlines if you get really busy, particularly if there is a mechanism in the law to take care of your obligations?
Here's an example, suppose you get behind on your taxes because of a personal situation and fail to file your state return on time. The state allows you to request an extension, but you can't be bothered to use that. Do you think the government is going to cut you any slack? Why give the same to the NSP.
For them to fail to issue a permit within the statutory guidelines, particularly when there is clear direction for them to issue within 45 days even if the investigation isn't complete shows a complete disregard for the law. Whatever your needs are with respect to the CHP, it's NOT okay for the NSP to disregard laws passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor. They are no more above the law than you are. If you accept that the state police can disregard statutes put in place specifically for this purpose then you give them carte blanche to do it elsewhere. No one is above the law.
It's one thing for you to say "I'm not worried about it," but many people are asking instead "why can't the NSP follow the law?" I think the latter statement is more important.
Gary:
Personally, I think a person not walking down the road, in chains, cleaning ditches, has a God given right to protection, with a firearm, hatchet, bazooka, whatever. A free man, woman or child should have the right to self protection. Once a freeman becomes a felon, then his rights should stripped away, and that is where ditch cleaning would come in handy.
Four states in our union pretty much get it correctly, Vermont being one of them, when it comes to Concealed Carry. To have the state issue me a permit, for something my oath of citizenship already gives me, clearly spelled out, , is a little sad.
Here is my federal permit to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
My zero contact with police officers in any sort of official capacity over the years (I am an old geezer), except for a parking ticket level events, along with the hundreds of millions of American Citizens, that keep our noses clean, shows the people are alert, vigil, trustworthy, in command, and not to be walked on by our elected governing officers.
Gary:
I think it is interesting to read how one permit takes a few days (renewal) and others take months, and how members here react to the wait times. I am not belittling the membership here and this discussion, , however, I am not thinking our public offices are in any sort of dastardly violation of the state laws by doing all they can do it get the torrent of permits applied for, issued.
If it has been 45 days, how about getting a dozen roses sent over to the NSP, telling them to have a nice day? I could see myself doing that, over raising a stink about compliance to a law.
382 more hours.
bburen:
Just got my permit today!! :D 51 days :(
HuskerXDM:
To me the reason it is okay to call and respectfully ask if the permit is ready on the 45th day is that the law has an accommodation for high volumes of permits... that they be issued anyway on the 45th day and then if there is a problem the SP can contact you and cancel the permit/straighten out the issue. I tell my CHP participants to call and RESPECTFULLY ask if the permit has been mailed yet (on day 45). If not, I tell them to ask politely what a good time to come pick it up would be. I'm not encouraging anyone to lecture the handful of staff on state law... they already know it.
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