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Contact your senators and representatives.
« on: December 19, 2012, 09:52:14 AM »
The time is now.  Let them know that gun control doesn't work in this country.  Let them know that we expect them to fight any sort of gun control or ban tooth and nail.  Remind them that most of these mass shootings have taken place in gun-free zones, including the one in our own back yard (Westroads).

If you'd like some information to send your elected representatives feel free to copy and paste from my blog: https://unioncreekjournal.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/mourning-the-loss-of-innocents-a-history-lesson-on-mass-shootings/

There's also some good information on mass shootings on this blog: http://8minutesoffame.com/america-freedom-vs-freedom/  The author trails off into drivel toward the end of his article but the stats on mass shootings are solid and worth repeating.

Here's the most valuable information:

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The following is a harrowing list of American tragedy. They’re listed here in as brief a manner as possible, not out of disrespect or lack of compassion, but out of a need to make them easily comparable for analysis.

December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
Weapons Used: AR-15 semi-automatic rifle
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound after confronted with an armed defender.
Guns Allowed: Not on mall property, but the actual town; Yes.

August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
Weapon Used: Springfield XD 9mm Pistol
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound to evade police.
Guns Allowed: No

July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
Weapons Used:  Pump action 12 gauge, .40 caliber pistol, Smith and Wesson M&P 15.
Method of Capture:  Surrendered to police.
Guns Allowed: No (theatre’s charge admission to the public, so this means no carrying)

April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
Weapon Used: .45 caliber pistol
Method of Capture: Arrested by police.
Guns Allowed: No

October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.
Weapons Used: 9mm Springfield pistol, H&K .45 pistol, Smith and Wesson 44 magnum.
Method of Capture: Arrested by Police.
Guns Allowed:  Varies. (Orange County is a “may issue” locale)

September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
Weapon Used: AK-47 (this actually IS an assault-rifle)
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
Guns Allowed: Yes

January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
Weapon Used: Glock 9mm pistol
Method of Capture: subdued by bystanders
Guns Allowed:  In Tucson, Yes. In Safeway supermarkets: some yes and some no.

November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
Weapon Used: FN Five-Seven pistol
Method of Capture: Arrested by police.
Guns Allowed: Not really applicable – it’s a military base.

April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
Weapons Used: 9mm Beretta Vertec pistol, .45 Beretta Storm pistol
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Guns Allowed: No

March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
Weapons Used: Remington 597 .22 rifle, .357 revolver, .22 magnum pistol, 12 gauge Winchester 1300 shotgun.
Method of Capture: Arrested by police.
Guns Allowed:  Not on the premises, prohibited by sign on the property.

February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
Weapons Used: 12 gauge Remington Sportsman shotgun, 9mm Glock 19 pistol, 9mm Sig Sauer P232 pistol, .380 pistol
Method of Capture: self-inflicted gunshot wound
Guns Allowed: No

February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
Weapons Used: Smith and Wesson model 29 44 Magnum revolver, Smith and Wesson .40 caliber pistol,
Method of Capture:  Shot and killed by police.
Guns Allowed: Not in city hall.

December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.
Weapons Used: Century WASR-10 semi-automatic rifle.
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Guns Allowed: Not on mall property.

April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
Weapons Used: Glock 19 pistol, Walther P22 pistol.
Method of Capture: suicide
Guns Allowed: No

February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talovi?. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
Weapons Used: Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun, 38 caliber pistol
Method of Capture: Shot by off-duty police office illegally carrying his weapon.
Guns Allowed:  No, but you can NOW. They removed the on-premises signs.

October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
Weapons Used: Springfield XD 9mm pistol, Browning 12 gauge shotgun, Ruger .30-06 bolt-action rifle.
Method of Capture: Suicide
Guns Allowed: No

March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
Weapons Used: Winchester 1300 12 gauge shotgun, Ruger P944 40 caliber pistol
Method of Capture:  Self-inflicted gun shot wound.
Guns Allowed: No (It’s a private residence, but alcohol was on-site, so it would be unlawful to carry regardless of the local law.)

March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
Weapons Used: .40 caliber Glock 23 pistol, .22 caliber Ruger pistol, Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun.
Method of Capture:  Self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Guns Allowed: No

March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
Weapon Used: 9mm pistol
Method of Capture:  self-inflicted gunshot wound
Guns Allowed: Yes, (I think)

July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MI in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7.
Weapons Used: Winchester 12 gauge shotgun, Ruger Mini-14 .223 caliber rifle.
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Guns Allowed: No

September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
Weapons Used: Ruger 9mm Pistol, .380 ACP pistol
Method of Capture: Suicide
Guns Allowed: No

July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
Weapons Used: Colt .45 pistol, Glock 17 9mm pistol, .22 pistol revolver, .25 caliber pistol
Method of Capture: Self-inflicted gunshot wound
Guns Allowed:  Too many various locations to determine all of them.

April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.
Weapons Used: 12 gauge Savage shotgun, Hi-Point 9mm pistol, TEC-9 9mm pistol, 12 gauge  Stevens shotgun, and 99 improvised explosives.
Method of Capture: Suicide
Guns Allowed: No

Aggregated Statistics:

Let’s go through these numbers, because they are important. I hate the concept of reducing people’s lives to statistical figures for analysis, and that’s not what I’m doing. I’m looking at the truth of what happened to figure out what should be done, or at least to maybe help others decide what they think should be done.

    How many massacres are listed? 21
    Over how many years did they occur? 13
    How many people were killed in total? 183 people (including the killers)
    How many of them involved assault rifles? 1 (The AK-47)
    In how many of the 21 locations was a civilian allowed to carry a weapon to defend themselves or others? (Two, potentially three depending on the legality of one particular location in question.)

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 12:15:59 PM »
The time is now.  Let them know that gun control doesn't work in this country.  Let them know that we expect them to fight any sort of gun control or ban tooth and nail.  Remind them that most of these mass shootings have taken place in gun-free zones, including the one in our own back yard (Westroads).

If you'd like some information to send your elected representatives feel free to copy and paste from my blog: https://unioncreekjournal.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/mourning-the-loss-of-innocents-a-history-lesson-on-mass-shootings/

There's also some good information on mass shootings on this blog: http://8minutesoffame.com/america-freedom-vs-freedom/  The author trails off into drivel toward the end of his article but the stats on mass shootings are solid and worth repeating.

Here's the most valuable information:

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 How many massacres are listed? 21
    Over how many years did they occur? 13
    How many people were killed in total? 183 people (including the killers)
    How many of them involved assault rifles? 1 (The AK-47)   
In how many of the 21 locations was a civilian allowed to carry a weapon to defend themselves or others? (Two, potentially three depending on the legality of one particular location in question.)


The "AK47 Assault Rifle" listed in the Carson City, NV shooting was actually a semi-auto Romanian version that was illegally converted to full-auto.
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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 03:51:33 PM »
Before sending this out you might want to re-check that - the Colorado shooting lists a M&P15 which is an AR15. So that number should be 2 not 1. If we are going to throw things like this out there we HAVE to make sure they are accurate!

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 05:04:16 PM »
Sent an e-mail to senators and congressman two days ago!!!

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 05:55:06 PM »
I would also question the no guns figure.  To my knowledge it is only one, the Gabby Gifords shooting, Military bases do not allow carrying of weapons except by military police, otherwise guns must be in the arms room or out in a field exercise.  From what John Lott reports the other one was posted.  I am not real certain on the Gabby Giffords/Arizona Law but I do know it would have been a no guns zone here inNebraska because it was a political rally.

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 07:04:18 PM »
Here is an extremely coherent pro gun column by a Stanford economist .

http://lewrockwell.com/sowell/sowell123.html

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 09:32:54 AM »
Before sending this out you might want to re-check that - the Colorado shooting lists a M&P15 which is an AR15. So that number should be 2 not 1. If we are going to throw things like this out there we HAVE to make sure they are accurate!

I'm not sure of the configuration of the M&P used in Colorado, but it's entirely possible for an AR not to qualify as an "assault weapon" under the definition of the '94 ban.  S&W's "Performance Center" and "Compliant" lines would all be exempt from the old ban.

Andy, that's why the "no guns" statement says the following:

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Two, potentially three depending on the legality of one particular location in question.
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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2012, 09:51:04 AM »
Andy, that's why the "no guns" statement says the following:

What I was trying to point out that according to John Lott the total number is one (Gabby Gifords), with the research he has done I would use his number and say that it is per his research.

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2012, 09:56:38 AM »
I would also question the no guns figure.  To my knowledge it is only one, the Gabby Gifords shooting, Military bases do not allow carrying of weapons except by military police, otherwise guns must be in the arms room or out in a field exercise.  From what John Lott reports the other one was posted.  I am not real certain on the Gabby Giffords/Arizona Law but I do know it would have been a no guns zone here inNebraska because it was a political rally.
Andy, if you live on base you can certainly have guns in your home. and you can transport them on base. They have to be unloaded and stored with no "quick access" by any occupant. It may be different for Army bases but that's how it works on Air Force bases.

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2012, 10:01:45 AM »
... Military bases do not allow carrying of weapons except by military police, ...

Buck, I don't think what I posted disagrees with that.

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 11:59:21 AM »
Andy, if you live on base you can certainly have guns in your home. and you can transport them on base. They have to be unloaded and stored with no "quick access" by any occupant. It may be different for Army bases but that's how it works on Air Force bases.

If you live in the barracks, they've got go straight from the Armory to the rifle range, and back.

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Re: Contact your senators and representatives.
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2012, 04:58:11 PM »
It's a good idea to call, also.  From what I understand phone calls tend to have more impact than emails.