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Offline GreyGeek

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H.R. 21 and H.R. 65
« on: January 07, 2013, 07:57:40 PM »
H.R. 21 -- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c113:1:./temp/~c113uCYSxW:e40051:

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`(b) Requirements- In establishing a process to issue permits to carry concealed firearms under subsection (a), a State shall--
`(1) ensure that a local law enforcement agency participates in the process; and
`(2) at a minimum, require that an applicant for a permit to carry a concealed firearm in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce--
`(A) be a legal resident of the United States;
`(B) be not less than 21 years of age;
`(C) demonstrate good cause for requesting a concealed firearm permit;
`(D) demonstrate that the applicant is worthy of the public trust to carry a concealed firearm in public;
`(E) complete a firearm safety training course certified by the State; and
`(F) not have been convicted of a crime of violence.

And just WHO is going to decide  if my need for a  CCW is a "good cause", or that I am "worthy of public trust"?  Politicians?   Bureaucrats?     Neither of those terms are defined in the act, so we have our first appearance of a "law" that can be twisted to what ever the Left wants.


H.R. 65 --  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.65.IH:
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SEC. 4. GUN STORAGE AND SAFETY DEVICES FOR ALL FIREARMS.

(a) Secure Gun Storage or Safety Devices by Federal Firearms Licensees- Section 922(z) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
`(z) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, transfer, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer) unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device.'.
(b) Penalties- Section 924(p) of such title is amended to read as follows:
`(p) The Attorney General may, after notice and opportunity for hearing, suspend or revoke any license issued under this chapter or may subject the licensee to a civil penalty of not more than $10,000 if the holder of such license has knowingly violated section 922(z). The actions of the Attorney General under this subsection may be reviewed only as provided in section 923(f).'.
(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall be effective 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

Offline Dan W

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Re: H.R. 21 and H.R. 65
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 08:12:14 PM »
The left will be happy only when the rest of us are deemed felons
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Re: H.R. 21 and H.R. 65
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 08:32:08 PM »
you've got to be kidding
"If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the...the gene pool, they'd a stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.....Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was overrated.  "-- Sheridan, "Babylon 5"

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Re: H.R. 21 and H.R. 65
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 09:01:39 PM »
You missed part of the fun inH.R. 21 private sales are effectively ended by it.

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Re: H.R. 21 and H.R. 65
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 09:16:43 PM »
H.R. 21 -- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c113:1:./temp/~c113uCYSxW:e40051:

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`(b) Requirements- In establishing a process to issue permits to carry concealed firearms under subsection (a), a State shall--
`(1) ensure that a local law enforcement agency participates in the process; and
`(2) at a minimum, require that an applicant for a permit to carry a concealed firearm in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce--
`(A) be a legal resident of the United States;
`(B) be not less than 21 years of age;
`(C) demonstrate good cause for requesting a concealed firearm permit;
`(D) demonstrate that the applicant is worthy of the public trust to carry a concealed firearm in public;
`(E) complete a firearm safety training course certified by the State; and
`(F) not have been convicted of a crime of violence.


Does that include Offing my Goldfish ?



"If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the...the gene pool, they'd a stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.....Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was overrated.  "-- Sheridan, "Babylon 5"