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Lincoln Chief of Police being anti CC
Jesse T:
A CCW holder that commits any crime reflects badly upon all of us in my opinion.
Other situations?
Someone carrying where it is prohibited
Anyone carrying a firearm while committing a felony even if that firearm isn't used
any kind of threat to a person while carrying a firearm (ex. road rage)
Of course these just my opinions I guess. Hotheads should not carry guns!!!
OnTheFly:
I agree with the hotheads comment. No use for those people in our group. I also agree that if a CHP holder does something stupid with a gun, then slap them silly. However, how can "any" crime be held against the CC system? For example...If we had 10% of the CHP holders cited for speeding, and assuming for this argument the non CHP holders cited for speeding was ~10% of the population, then how can that be held against the CC program? It is a normal occurrence for the population and has nothing to do with the fact that the person had a CHP.
I think you are concerned with the overall image of the group in the public eye and how the actions of some CHP holders could affect the rest of us. If that's right, I agree with the attitude that we should hold each other to a higher standard. I'm a professional pilot tasked with checking my peers and I would like to be proud of the group of pilots I work with. In the same light, I want to be proud of ANY group I'm associated with. Regardless, I think there is a fairly limited number of situations that the public could hold against us as a group.
Fly
wrenrj1:
There's always going to be "bad apples" or those with CCW permits that violate the law. Just like there are LE Officers that break the law as of which we've seen several instances recently here in our state. Those that oppose CCW will try to exploit these few people (on the CCW side) for their purpose against CCW. It's important to show the whole story that regardless of what permits, certifications, responsibilities, licenses, etc. people receive that are in the "public trust" (my words) there will be people that will not live up to the standards of their responsibilities under the law.
Wildgoose:
--- Quote from: Jesse T on May 20, 2009, 12:02:32 PM --- Specifically the no-carry-in-parks rules and the previous-offense rules. The original wording of 430 would have struck these down for all firearms laws anywhere in the state. The revised 430 clearly makes the rules invalid against concealed permit holders only.
--- End quote ---
I am afraid that I have a real problem with Lincolns "prior-offense" rules and am now confused as to how this new bill changes things. First, these "rules" are by and large all misdemeanors that if convicted of do not allow a citizen of Lincoln to even posses firearms in the city let alone carry one. How this can be is beyond me due to the fact that in the rest of the state and the US in general one must have commited a felony or a domestic violence misdemeanor to loose the right to own firearms. This of couse is another issue ,thanks to the city council and the chief of police, but if I obtain a CHP does it then supercede these "exta" regulations in the case of my CHP firearm? Can one who has one of these misdemeanors even get a CHP even though Lincoln is the only place in the state that this applies? What about people who do not live in Lincoln and obtian a CHP outside the city? On the face of things it would seem we have excatily what the law was intended to prevent, conflicting rules, here in Lincoln it now seems possible that I can carry a firearm that I cannot by Lincoln ordanances, if conviced of one of the several sepcial misdemeanors, not legaly own.
Dan W:
Wildgoose.
I agree that LB430 should repeal Lincoln's possession restrictions for misdemeanor offenses. I have commented frequently in the past that Chief Casady had over stepped his bounds when he became a legislator, and wrote these ordinances, while at the same time was the advising the City council, in his capacity as Chief of Police, of the need for them.
LB430 clearly states that all ordinances concerning the ownership, possession, and transport of concealed handguns, by persons with a valid concealed handgun permit, are null and void when the bill takes effect. (SEPT. 1, 2009 ?)
I expect that the Lincoln City Council will act responsibly, and remove the offending ordinances before that time comes, but with a majority of Democrats now seated, who knows what they might do
That does not mean I in any way condone or support convicted criminals carrying concealed handguns, BUT, I do think that the crimes must be felonies before we let the government remove anyone's rights.
I would not be surprised to see an attempt to add the list of misdemeanors Chief Casady deems serious enough to strip one's rights away added into State Law in the near future and he may be successful with a few of them.
I think a few of his examples might justifiably be made felonies, and if that is the case, and the law is statewide, there may be support for those changes
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