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First traffic stop while carrying tonight
Nebraska12:
--- Quote from: Gary on February 20, 2013, 05:56:35 PM ---I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
I had a flat by Sapp brothers, in the city limits of Omaha years ago. As I waited for a tow, an officer pulled up, approached on the grass, and when she saw my Glock parts on the dash, she started walking backwards in her same footprints in the grass, lit up her patrol car, crossed the median and took off in the other direction. Not a word. She easily hit 100mph when I lost sight of her.
A few minutes later, her boss arrived, with her close behind. She went for the grass again, while he approached normally. Asked if I was having trouble, and had I called a tow truck, I told him we were fine, and a tow truck was on the way. He said, I apologize for my deputy, she is fresh out of the academy, and I told her if she saw anything not covered in class, to come see me personally. I guess they never covered gun parts on the dash, so she got flustered and left. lol
Her boss, was very nice, and told me he appreciated me having my gun disassembled in that fashion, because it took all the tension out of the situation (at least for him). He told me it was a novel idea, and to have a nice day.
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I can appreciate your perspective Gary, and I'm glad it's worked out for you. However, there is absolutely no way I'm handling my firearm without being instructed to do so by the officer if/when I am pulled over. Then again, I don't make it a habit to do anything that would get me pulled over in the first place. My wife tells me I drive like an old man...lol
Gary:
When I had a gun store, I always carried. I knew all the police officers in my town of Beatrice by their first name, and was and still am good friends with the retired police chief as well as the retired swat team leader. I have shot, as an invited guest, at a police shooting range. I went white water rafting with one officer on a vacation in Colorado, and we were pretty close friends. They knew I broke down my gun at a traffic stop when I was away from my area, and I don't recall any of them offering any advice on the subject.
Seeing LOE's from an inside perspective, all they want to be able to do, is pull their own boots off at the end of each shift. Many could get better paying jobs with a lot less stress, and some end up doing that after a couple years, because the pressures of that job are so great. If you can get past the 3 year mark, 4 year mark, it gets easier, as you find a grove to work in, and a shell to build around yourself, but it is never easy, and it is always potentially volatile .
Having a zip lock bag of handgun parts is just one way to show an officer respect and make that stop less stressful.
With an FBI background check, I think the CCW permit is just as good as a broke down gun, and I see no reason to do that in the future. No officer should fear anyone with a CCW permit, however, I do not think the gun should NOT be stored in the same location as your license, car registration and proof of insurance, again, to lower the stress level of the officer.
When I get pulled over, I have both hands on the wheel, 11 & 1, all my windows are down, radio off, blower motor on the heater off, all interior lights are on, four way flashers are on, and I pull off the street, and sit under a street light if possible. If I must stay on the road, like on a highway, I am well off the road in the grass, so the officer has room to work. The ignition is off, and the keys are out of the ignition, with them sitting in plain sight on the dash. I have my license , registration, and proof of insurance on the dash, as well as all paperwork for any trailer I may be pulling. I speak in a polite and courteous manor, maintaining eye contact with the officer, and keep my hands on the wheel, until instructed to do otherwise.
I don't speed, I don't drive with expired plates, don't pull unlicensed trailers, and always follow all traffic laws. If pulling a trailer, ( I frequently pull a trailer) I make sure all lights are working, and if there is a problem with lights, I put on a red safety flashlight.
JTH:
--- Quote from: Gary on February 20, 2013, 05:56:35 PM ---I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
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So, to make sure I understand this, you are saying that you can remove a Glock from a holster, unload it, field strip it, and place these parts in a baggie while slowing down from highway speeds onto the shoulder, in the time it takes to merely slow down and come to a stop, and you can do this all with one hand?
Ok.
I congratulate you on your ability.
Most people should not even remotely attempt to do this. Not only is there of course a wonderful chance of a negligent discharge, but giving that much attention to something non-driving-related isn't a great idea either. And, as people have already said, if you aren't finished by the time the police officer is watching you, being seen to be quickly fiddling with someone once you are pulled over is also not really a great idea.
I note also that if you are carrying concealed, you don't actually need to do anything. Leave the gun in the holster, leave it covered up by your concealment garment, and just inform the officer when they show up.
And as people have said---if you aren't carrying, you are not required by law to inform the officer of anything. But it is still a good idea to do so, simply to ease communication. (You already know the LEO is having a bad day---it is hard to have a GOOD day when dealing with idiots all day---so being polite and clear right off the bat can make a significant difference to the entire event.)
--- Quote ---I had a flat by Sapp brothers, in the city limits of Omaha years ago. As I waited for a tow, an officer pulled up, approached on the grass, and when she saw my Glock parts on the dash, she started walking backwards in her same footprints in the grass, lit up her patrol car, crossed the median and took off in the other direction. Not a word. She easily hit 100mph when I lost sight of her.
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You have a radar gun in your car?
--- Quote ---A few minutes later, her boss arrived, with her close behind.
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He said, I apologize for my deputy, she is fresh out of the academy, and I told her if she saw anything not covered in class, to come see me personally.
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The state patrol/police department/sheriff's department officer of the day was in a car mere minutes away? (And she had to go drive and get him, and then drive back instead of just using the radio?) Wow.
I'm not going to tell anyone what they can or can't do, other than saying what is required by the law. That being said, it is certainly true that certain things are better ideas than others.
Gary:
Gary:
Subject is getting pretty far off topic, but videos of what people can do with guns is educational.
Strip and assemble with one hand.
While my methods are not like these gentleman, it is interesting to see what people can do with their hands.
IMHO, if you are getting pulled over by an LEO, nine times out of ten, something in your life needs an adjustment.
Just for future reference, I can also juggle regulation bowling pins and bowling balls.
Woman love a guy with good hands! lol
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