Info on Government Stockpile of Ammo

[FarmerRick]

This. I'm perfectly fine with conspiracy theories. I like to know that folks are out game planning and watching for potential problems. People who knock conspiracy theories never have any way to disprove them.

As for the government... I'll never trust it, nor assume that it isn't trying to utilize its current power to gain more power.

That's sig line material, right there...  sad but true.   

[ILoveCats]

Why do conspiracy theories get started?  For the most obvious of reasons,.. people feel they are being lied to.  I almost get the sense Feral, you are going to lengths to cover for the fact that this Admin. has repeatedly lied to the public.

 The conspiracies you look down on start out with one little nobody who sees something that makes him stop and think "Why is this happening? What is this for?".  In answer to his question he gets a nonsense answer or none at all, "nothing to see here".  Left to his own devices he may indeed come up with the wrong conclusion, but it does not disprove the fact that he did indeed see "something".

  In 1941 there were several "sightings" and indications which were dismissed right up to the time the first wave crossed over Pearl Harbor.  Leading up to the 9/11 attacks (both of them it seems) there were also several indictions of "something" building up. 

 It seems foolish to just dismiss it all as "conspiracy theory" as all facts start as theories and "sightings" and "somethings" have a bad way of adding up to hit us right in the mouth.

First of all, have a blessed Palm Sunday!

Again, I can’t really disagree, fundamentally, with a lot of that.  The salvation of the state IS indeed watchfulness in the citizen, as Nebraska’s favorite philosopher said.  But I haven’t seen anything raised here in this forum, or others that I follow, that really comprises the “discovery” of some groundbreaking new facts, or constitutes astute analysis.  All I see around the web is people re-broadcasting the blogs of a few computer commandos who keep shouting “WOLF!” every time they see what appears to me like a golden retriever.  A healthy distrust of the government (or any other entity) is indeed important, but discernment and analytical skills are as important as political zeal if one is to stand watch effectively. 

The problem with the theories is that they are so fantastical that they’re – almost by definition – impossible to refute.  Can I prove that there isn’t a secret government machine that steers hurricanes into New Orleans?  No, I can’t.  All I can do is rely on what I’ve experienced and seen myself over the years.

I personally agree that there has been BS emanating out of this admin. and I despise the fact that the Democratic party apparently think they are the intelligentsia who can “fix” America by more nanny-state laws.  But that goes back to my point that the real battle here is political, and against a socialist agenda. 

[JimP]

still have trouble believing "high-minded elitist Liberals" could openly suppress this country.  You could overwhelm most of them with a fart in a cramped elevator

While I am not afraid them, per se, in the same sense I would not have been physically afraid of Adolph Schickelgruber and his cronies, these people have command of the United States Military, and already having stated, in public, a desire to create a "Civilian National Security Force, that is just as large, just as well equipped, and just as well funded as the United States Military"", IS ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO BUY EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.



They are building something ..... and creating conditions for a financial catastrophe that will cause Joe Sixpack and Sally Soccermom to cry out for a Savior  ...... if you don't see that, your eyes are not open.

[GreyGeek]

if you don't see that, your eyes are not open.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. 

IF the changes and/or abuses of

the RICCO Act,

the PATRIOT Act (and its National Security Letters),
 
the drones,

the ATF false flag operation "Fast and Furious" (an attempt to blame TX gun stores for MX gang guns),

the Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness given to the President to control EVERYTHING in  the country  during an "emergency" of any kind, declared by the President,

the 2012 NDAA’s Sec. 1021 (Feinstein-Lee Amendment wouldn't you know!) which allows the military to detain United States citizens indefinitely without charge or trial for mere suspicions of ties to terrorism.  There  was  a clause  in the bill  which  forbid what 1021 allows, but Obama asked that it be removed and then claimed in his signing statement, which has NO force of law, that he wouldn't use it.  Right.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
 
the Cobra gunships flying low over Interstate highways firing blank .50 cal rounds,

US Army on patrol in several towns and villages around the country, "training", even though the use of our military inside the country  is illegal in the context it is being used,

TSA VIPR teams spreading out from airports to all around the country, employing no warrant searches without cause,

the "Constitution Free Zone",

the continued and massive printing of paper money with no regard to future consequences of hyper inflation,

giving Billions to Islamic Extremist nations while cutting back on wounded veterans medical assistant,

building over 600 FEMA "detention and relocation" centers around the country.  For whom?  When?

buying well over a BILLION rounds of 9mm and .40 cal HOLLOW POINT ammo, which  is not used in international warfare by mutual agreement, but its OK to use on US citizens?    Why are we the enemy?

One or two, even three or four of these events, wouldn't be an alarm to me.  BUT, there are too many "coincidences" to  ignore without being deliberately blind.

Concerning the ammo purchases.  The DHS claimed that the size of the order was to minimize costs.  But, if that is true then why didn't they purchase ball ammo, which is cheaper than  hollow point?  And why so much ... enough to sustain a war for 15 years or more?  All  of it for "target practice".   With hollow points?

What the politicians who have set up or allowed this mess to  happen didn't figure on  was that their actions would so alarm such a HUGE part of the population that the people would rush out to buy as many guns and as much ammo as they could in preparation for what the political upheaval they believe is coming.  Not only people who use guns regularly for sport, hunting or defense, but people who have never laid a  hand on a weapon before and at least for many years.  I believe that this pressure will continue until factories ramp up their production, the culmination of calamities occurs,  or the events the people fear fail to be realized and they flood the market with their purchases.   Around the fall of 2014 will be a good test point.  If shortages continue then it will be obvious to me that the government is behind them and is interfering with the laws of supply and demand.

[Hank]

Easy there Grey..I mean all those in one post....I gotta sleep tonight...lol
Interesting, I never heard of the `steering the hurricane` conspiracy
I believe though that Fast and Furious, was all part of the plan to `brainwash` the American public..remember all the media attention about drug cartel/ violence in Mexico, fueled by firearms smuggled across the border...and then it stopped suddenly?
Watch this a few times and tell if it don`t P you O like it does me.

[lightem up]

 Preparedness is your best defence am I right, everyone should stock pile some kind of supply.    Been seeing black helicopters(Miami has Google it)urban training,FEMA camps,thousands of armored vehicles ordered,DHS ammo stockpile,our military is being gutted out our marines have to conserve on ammo and fuel that's just wrong.        What's DHS need any ammo for there not doing anything to secure our border,in fact itswide open wwhat's that tell you.

[ILoveCats]

...not doing anything to secure our border,in fact its wide open ...

Here's one I took of a particularly "wide open" portion.  Not a bit of fence in sight.... dang, need to get on that ASAP. 

US is on the right.  Mexico is on the left.  In between.... hollow points are legal!  Hague convention doesn't apply.    

I'll have to have you guys over for a slideshow sometime. You can wear your tinfoil hats and the missus can make her lemon chess pie. It's scrumptious! 

[ILoveCats]

the Cobra gunships flying low over Interstate highways firing blank .50 cal rounds,

This one makes me laugh for reasons unrelated to the rest of this thread. ...  Rather, it brought back memories and stories (first-hand, and related to me over the years) of what can happen when you turn 20-something men (often VERY YOUNG-20-something men) loose with multi-million dollar equipment.      One, in particular, involved an AC-130 gunship, some young men, some live ammo, and a moose that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 

[GreyGeek]

Here's one I took of a particularly "wide open" portion.  Not a bit of fence in sight..

I'll see your pic and raise you this video:

and this,  with excuses:

and their bullets, and guns are illegal in Mexico!  Is this the "war on drugs"?

Looking forward to the "Chess cake"

[GreyGeek]

And some illegals are NOT Mexicans looking for a better life!

Of course, our DHS ignores this.

[GreyGeek]

One, in particular, involved an AC-130 gunship, some young men, some live ammo, and a moose that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 

That sounds like a confession, feralcatkillr!   Did you hit it?   ROF,LLLLLLLL

[Dan W]

Keep it civil fellas

[GreyGeek]

Keep it civil fellas

We were.  Did you notice his funny face, or my "ROF,LLLL"?

I just wanted to know if he hit the moose! I also wonder what the range was and how many rounds it took! 

BTW, I never become disagreeable with those who disagree with me.  You can check several years of my posts on the KubuntuForums.net and you won't find a single one which sinks to ad homenim attacks.   How could we exchange views if that attitude were adopted?   However, as you have probably observed, I will argue my position as strongly as I can.

[Dan W]

It was just a reminder...carry on

[GreyGeek]

It was just a reminder...carry on

Aye, aye Captain!

[ILoveCats]

We were. 

Agree!  All in good fun.

More than fun, really...  GG's expresses his patriotism by posting what he thinks may a political "vulnerability".  I express mine by highlighting anything that might be incorrect or fantastical, and that detracts from political or external terror threats I believe to be more likely.

[GreyGeek]

I express mine by highlighting anything that might be incorrect or fantastical,

And both views are important.   No one is right 100% of the time and no one is wrong 100% of the time.

[depserv]

I've seen reasonable sounding explanations, including from the NRA, but it still doesn't look good.  I've never been one to take much interest in conspiracy theories, but in this case there might be fire under the smoke.  I remember when I thought the Bilderberger Group was a wild-eyed conspiracy theory that couldn't possibly be real, but now it's commonly known to be established fact.  So some conspiracy theories are less far-fetched than others; time will tell where these fit on the scale. 

[SS_N_NE]

Recent Congressman questioning regarding DHS requisition of 1.6 billion rounds of ammuniton, 7000 select fire rifles, 2700 armored vehicles and body armor has resulted in no response.  It is concerning that we have a number of military branches that can provide security but are allowing another entity to build power without having to answer to purpose.

Here is a response from Adrian Smith: Basically related the concerns above, disappointed that the answer was simply a spending concern. Still question the 2700 armored vehicles, guns and ammo aside (not really aside, just for this instance).



March 28, 2013
Dear Mr. XXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the procurement of ammunition by the United States Social Security Administration (SSA), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. I appreciate you taking the time to share your views on this matter.
As you may know, federal agencies are tasked with a wide range of responsibilities, including internal security and the enforcement of law. At the SSA, for example, the Office of the Inspector General employs agents charged with investigating fraud, executing search warrants, and making arrests. These investigators have full law enforcement authority and are required to complete quarterly firearms qualifications.
Some of my constituents have expressed concerns about the recent solicitation for ammunition by the NOAA. Due to a clerical error, this solicitation inadvertently was attributed to NOAA's National Weather Service; however, it originated from the NOAA Office of Law Enforcement.
As a member of the Committee on Ways and Means, the responsible use of taxpayer dollars is an issue I take very seriously, and I will work with my colleagues to ensure appropriate oversight is given to protect taxpayers from wasteful spending. Rest assured I will continue to monitor these agencies and keep you apprised of future developments.
Again, thank you for contacting me; please do so in the future if I may be of assistance.
Sincerely, Adrian Smith

[GreyGeek]

NOAA Office of Law Enforcement

When did the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration need an armed enforcement contingent?  Along the coasts what's the coast guard for.  Within the states what's the local police and highway patrols for?