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FarmerRick:
--- Quote from: NENick on March 24, 2013, 01:13:25 AM ---This. I'm perfectly fine with conspiracy theories. I like to know that folks are out game planning and watching for potential problems. People who knock conspiracy theories never have any way to disprove them.
As for the government... I'll never trust it, nor assume that it isn't trying to utilize its current power to gain more power.
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That's sig line material, right there... sad but true. :(
ILoveCats:
--- Quote from: RedDot on March 23, 2013, 10:38:46 PM ---Why do conspiracy theories get started? For the most obvious of reasons,.. people feel they are being lied to. I almost get the sense Feral, you are going to lengths to cover for the fact that this Admin. has repeatedly lied to the public.
The conspiracies you look down on start out with one little nobody who sees something that makes him stop and think "Why is this happening? What is this for?". In answer to his question he gets a nonsense answer or none at all, "nothing to see here". Left to his own devices he may indeed come up with the wrong conclusion, but it does not disprove the fact that he did indeed see "something".
In 1941 there were several "sightings" and indications which were dismissed right up to the time the first wave crossed over Pearl Harbor. Leading up to the 9/11 attacks (both of them it seems) there were also several indictions of "something" building up.
It seems foolish to just dismiss it all as "conspiracy theory" as all facts start as theories and "sightings" and "somethings" have a bad way of adding up to hit us right in the mouth.
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First of all, have a blessed Palm Sunday!
Again, I can’t really disagree, fundamentally, with a lot of that. The salvation of the state IS indeed watchfulness in the citizen, as Nebraska’s favorite philosopher said. But I haven’t seen anything raised here in this forum, or others that I follow, that really comprises the “discovery” of some groundbreaking new facts, or constitutes astute analysis. All I see around the web is people re-broadcasting the blogs of a few computer commandos who keep shouting “WOLF!” every time they see what appears to me like a golden retriever. A healthy distrust of the government (or any other entity) is indeed important, but discernment and analytical skills are as important as political zeal if one is to stand watch effectively.
The problem with the theories is that they are so fantastical that they’re – almost by definition – impossible to refute. Can I prove that there isn’t a secret government machine that steers hurricanes into New Orleans? No, I can’t. All I can do is rely on what I’ve experienced and seen myself over the years.
I personally agree that there has been BS emanating out of this admin. and I despise the fact that the Democratic party apparently think they are the intelligentsia who can “fix” America by more nanny-state laws. But that goes back to my point that the real battle here is political, and against a socialist agenda.
JimP:
--- Quote ---still have trouble believing "high-minded elitist Liberals" could openly suppress this country. You could overwhelm most of them with a fart in a cramped elevator
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While I am not afraid them, per se, in the same sense I would not have been physically afraid of Adolph Schickelgruber and his cronies, these people have command of the United States Military, and already having stated, in public, a desire to create a "Civilian National Security Force, that is just as large, just as well equipped, and just as well funded as the United States Military"", IS ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO BUY EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
They are building something ..... and creating conditions for a financial catastrophe that will cause Joe Sixpack and Sally Soccermom to cry out for a Savior ...... if you don't see that, your eyes are not open.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: JimP on March 25, 2013, 08:58:54 AM ---if you don't see that, your eyes are not open.
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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
IF the changes and/or abuses of
the RICCO Act,
the PATRIOT Act (and its National Security Letters),
the drones,
the ATF false flag operation "Fast and Furious" (an attempt to blame TX gun stores for MX gang guns),
the Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness given to the President to control EVERYTHING in the country during an "emergency" of any kind, declared by the President,
the 2012 NDAA’s Sec. 1021 (Feinstein-Lee Amendment wouldn't you know!) which allows the military to detain United States citizens indefinitely without charge or trial for mere suspicions of ties to terrorism. There was a clause in the bill which forbid what 1021 allows, but Obama asked that it be removed and then claimed in his signing statement, which has NO force of law, that he wouldn't use it. Right.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
the Cobra gunships flying low over Interstate highways firing blank .50 cal rounds,
US Army on patrol in several towns and villages around the country, "training", even though the use of our military inside the country is illegal in the context it is being used,
TSA VIPR teams spreading out from airports to all around the country, employing no warrant searches without cause,
the "Constitution Free Zone",
the continued and massive printing of paper money with no regard to future consequences of hyper inflation,
giving Billions to Islamic Extremist nations while cutting back on wounded veterans medical assistant,
building over 600 FEMA "detention and relocation" centers around the country. For whom? When?
buying well over a BILLION rounds of 9mm and .40 cal HOLLOW POINT ammo, which is not used in international warfare by mutual agreement, but its OK to use on US citizens? Why are we the enemy?
One or two, even three or four of these events, wouldn't be an alarm to me. BUT, there are too many "coincidences" to ignore without being deliberately blind.
Concerning the ammo purchases. The DHS claimed that the size of the order was to minimize costs. But, if that is true then why didn't they purchase ball ammo, which is cheaper than hollow point? And why so much ... enough to sustain a war for 15 years or more? All of it for "target practice". With hollow points?
What the politicians who have set up or allowed this mess to happen didn't figure on was that their actions would so alarm such a HUGE part of the population that the people would rush out to buy as many guns and as much ammo as they could in preparation for what the political upheaval they believe is coming. Not only people who use guns regularly for sport, hunting or defense, but people who have never laid a hand on a weapon before and at least for many years. I believe that this pressure will continue until factories ramp up their production, the culmination of calamities occurs, or the events the people fear fail to be realized and they flood the market with their purchases. Around the fall of 2014 will be a good test point. If shortages continue then it will be obvious to me that the government is behind them and is interfering with the laws of supply and demand.
Hank:
Easy there Grey..I mean all those in one post....I gotta sleep tonight...lol
Interesting, I never heard of the `steering the hurricane` conspiracy
I believe though that Fast and Furious, was all part of the plan to `brainwash` the American public..remember all the media attention about drug cartel/ violence in Mexico, fueled by firearms smuggled across the border...and then it stopped suddenly?
Watch this a few times and tell if it don`t P you O like it does me.
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