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ILoveCats:
--- Quote from: RedDot on March 15, 2013, 11:15:06 PM ---I still have trouble believing "high-minded elitist Liberals" could openly suppress this country. You could overwhelm most of them with a fart in a cramped elevator. >:D
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That's why these kooky theories are so laughable, whether the party in power is liberal or conservative. Whether it's the "FEMA death camps" theory, the "massive stockpiles of ammo" theories that are based on mis-reading of RFPs, a general misunderstanding of the truly massive scope of securing the border (e.g. the Border Patrol is the largest law enforcement agency in the US for a reason: we have a BIG border on the edge of a hell-hole country), or oldies like the "moon landing hoax" theory; the point that people don't get unless they've actually worked inside the beltway is ... there's NO WAY the government could actually keep a major secret on something so nefarious.
That's not a slam on any administration. The system is **supposed** to be like that! There are times when officials of any branch overstep their bounds, and that's when "leaks" can and do happen. Watergate is the big example, but there are lots of smaller leaks that have been success stories. Some agencies even have dedicated "Dissent" channels communications by which anyone, without any supervisory approval, and send a "dissent" message directly to the top of the organizational chart.
And then there's the media which - as annoying as they can be - are actually an effective "fourth" branch of government providing checks-and-balances of their own. Regardless of their political bent, it's every journalist's dream to be the next Bob Woodward and uncover a corrupt administration. And that's a good thing.
Another factor is that the federal law enforcement officers, who feature as villains in the kooky theories, are in reality some of the most patriotic and staunchly conservative folks you'll find out there. That's usually because they're pulled out of military ranks. There's a veteran's preference applied to federal hiring which makes it very difficult for non-vets to get in. The higher the disability incurred in combat, the higher the preference. Again, that's a good thing. As much as we love to moan about organizations like TSA, I've seen a lot of TSA guys with pretty awful burns and other obvious injuries, and it's not much of a stretch to assume those were incurred in combat. (By comparison, I've found the private sector can often be disappointingly / disgustingly reluctant to hire veterans, especially if they suspect PTSD.)
If people want to watch something fictional that is a better representation of Washington ills than the kook sites depict, I **HIGHLY** suggest the Netflix-only miniseries "House of Cards". For something produced exclusively by/for Netflix, it's surprisingly good television. Sure, it's a lot of fantastical caricature with all the drama that they've packed into it of drugs, murder, sex, etc. But, in terms of depicting the political horse-trading and power plays, it at least gives the viewer a little better taste of how things can work inside the beltway.
RedDot:
--- Quote from: feralcatkillr on March 23, 2013, 02:16:18 PM ---That's why these kooky theories are so laughable, whether the party in power is liberal or conservative. Whether it's the "FEMA death camps" theory, the "massive stockpiles of ammo" theories that are based on mis-reading of RFPs, a general misunderstanding of the truly massive scope of securing the border (e.g. the Border Patrol is the largest law enforcement agency in the US for a reason: we have a BIG border on the edge of a hell-hole country), or oldies like the "moon landing hoax" theory; the point that people don't get unless they've actually worked inside the beltway is ... there's NO WAY the government could actually keep a major secret on something so nefarious.
That's not a slam on any administration. The system is **supposed** to be like that! There are times when officials of any branch overstep their bounds, and that's when "leaks" can and do happen. Watergate is the big example, but there are lots of smaller leaks that have been success stories. Some agencies even have dedicated "Dissent" channels communications by which anyone, without any supervisory approval, and send a "dissent" message directly to the top of the organizational chart.
And then there's the media which - as annoying as they can be - are actually an effective "fourth" branch of government providing checks-and-balances of their own. Regardless of their political bent, it's every journalist's dream to be the next Bob Woodward and uncover a corrupt administration. And that's a good thing.
Another factor is that the federal law enforcement officers, who feature as villains in the kooky theories, are in reality some of the most patriotic and staunchly conservative folks you'll find out there. That's usually because they're pulled out of military ranks. There's a veteran's preference applied to federal hiring which makes it very difficult for non-vets to get in. The higher the disability incurred in combat, the higher the preference. Again, that's a good thing. As much as we love to moan about organizations like TSA, I've seen a lot of TSA guys with pretty awful burns and other obvious injuries, and it's not much of a stretch to assume those were incurred in combat. (By comparison, I've found the private sector can often be disappointingly / disgustingly reluctant to hire veterans, especially if they suspect PTSD.)
If people want to watch something fictional that is a better representation of Washington ills than the kook sites depict, I **HIGHLY** suggest the Netflix-only miniseries "House of Cards". For something produced exclusively by/for Netflix, it's surprisingly good television. Sure, it's a lot of fantastical caricature with all the drama that they've packed into it of drugs, murder, sex, etc. But, in terms of depicting the political horse-trading and power plays, it at least gives the viewer a little better taste of how things can work inside the beltway.
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I stated that I don't believe they COULD successfully suppress the country, however I have yet to be convinced that they are not so far out of touch that they THINK they could. John Brown thought the raid on Harper's Ferry would start a slave insurrection. Charles Manson thought the Tate/Labianca murders would start a racial war. Bin laden thought the 9/11 attacks would get the U.S. to pull out of the mideast. In fact they were all wrong but nonetheless the attempts were made.
As for the press being the "fourth branch" of govt., nothing could be scarier to anyone other than Herr Goebbels. The press today seems inclined to go along with what the govt. deems worthy of note. Where are the Pulitzer seekers digging into Fast & Furious? Surely one country illegally shipping guns into another would be worth an in depth look? Wars have been declared over such actions in the past. The Bengazi attack is still being brushed aside by most media, a dead ambassador and 3 other americans, more weapons trafficking, and a White House sponsored snow job (readily promoted by media), are apparently not enough to hold interest. Yet ironically, the media was quick to applaud the arrest and detention of an Egyptian immigrant for exercising his newly aquired 1st amend. right, the same right which allows them to function.
True, there are fringe elements putting out rumors, but sometimes rumors lead to facts. Trusting the mainstream media to search for those facts is about as effective as the "ghost shirts" worn by the Sioux. By the time you figure out it doesn't work, it's too damn late.
gigabelly:
RedDot, you are much more tactful than I. Thank you for that rebuttal. My rough draft was rather....combative. I like yours better.
RedDot:
Standing in the cold at 72nd & Dodge for 2 hours does wonders for clearing the mind ;D
Phantom:
--- Quote from: RedDot on March 23, 2013, 06:09:54 PM ---Standing in the cold at 72nd & Dodge for 2 hours does wonders for clearing the mind
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how did it Go out there .....I wasn't feeling well enough to be there like i'd planed
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