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Lorimor:
--- Quote from: NENick on October 17, 2012, 05:15:18 PM ---Go to the theater at Village Point. I carry there and haven't seen any signs at the door I walk in...
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Nor did I.
unfy:
--- Quote from: bullit on October 31, 2012, 07:00:12 AM ---Does not look "conspicuous" to me......
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Yeah, included the NESP's regs printout, highlighted appropriate sections, included a printout of the suggested sign as well as a couple examples, a note explaining why the sign is important, and a note requesting they allow concealed carry as well. I'm sure there are more eloquent people here that could address the concealed carry issue than myself... but at the very least I can hopefully get their sign updated heh.
AlanS:
RE: "I've friendly bugged the manager that the sign isn't adequate, will be in touch with their corporate masters about getting their sign updated...but at the very least I can hopefully get their sign updated heh."
unfy: Please stop and think before acting any further on this... From your photo of the sign (at Aldi's in Bellevue), it obviously does not meet the standard required for an enforceable gun-free/victim zone (CHP holders are restricted when the business is properly & conspicuously posted)... It is one thing to advocate for removal of such a sign, but why in the world would you actively assist them them fixing their sign, giving it the power of law, and making this business a victim zone legally off-limits to permit holders???
unfy:
--- Quote from: AlanS on November 02, 2012, 05:16:58 AM ---unfy: Please stop and think before acting any further on this... From your photo of the sign (at Aldi's in Bellevue), it obviously does not meet the standard required for an enforceable gun-free/victim zone (CHP holders are restricted when the business is properly & conspicuously posted)... It is one thing to advocate for removal of such a sign, but why in the world would you actively assist them them fixing their sign, giving it the power of law, and making this business a victim zone legally off-limits to permit holders???
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Uhhhhh, I've got a few responses to this.
1) Conspicuous can be up for interpretation. The sign was at the inner door, it was fairly isolated and not surrounded by a bunch of crap, etc. It wasn't a gaudy graphic, but it wasn't really "hidden" either.
2) The notice *IS* posted, therefore walking in concealed, assuming it passes 'conspicuous' - would be breaking the law. Do you wanna have to deal with the headache of arguing the sign to a peace officer or judge ? Losing an afternoon of your time or more and possible fines and other such things ?
3) Aldi's corporate office obviously doesn't want concealed carry in their stores. Do you actively snub your nose in the face of businesses or homes you frequent ?
4) Our goal shouldn't be to attempt to "sneak into a place" just because we think we're right.
And the most important thing of all:
5) It's damn well polite to try to be respectful and not adversarial towards businesses. They aren't "the enemy".
I made a short case for allowing concealed carry, but barring that - I'm helping them meet their goals and possibly helping US not be put in a situation of having to explain ourselves or argue semantics about a sign.
If someone has a generic "please get rid of the sign" letter / message that kicks ass, I'll gladly keep a few copies of it in my truck.
FarmerRick:
--- Quote from: unfy on November 02, 2012, 05:03:22 PM ---
If someone has a generic "please get rid of the sign" letter / message that kicks ass, I'll gladly keep a few copies of it in my truck.
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2-sided business card you may like. It is designed to be used with the Avery business card stock available at WalMart and other places.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1362028/nogunsnomoneynfoa-pdf-september-6-2009-9-17-pm-126k
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