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FarmerRick:
Until I see the actual text of this Manchin-Toomey bill, I will just say this: Just because a private sale of a firearm happens in a building that has a lot of people wandering around in it, does not mean that that private sale should be treated any differently than one that happens at a shooting range, Walmart parking lot, or in someone's kitchen.

It bothers me greatly that the head of the SAF is touting the "great merits" of this compromise of our rights.  :(

DanClrk51:
He also claims that the amendment gives vets their rights back in regards to being put on the list because of stress.

What I have seen in the "The Public Safety And Second Amendment Rights Protection Act" is that HIPAA protections would no longer apply and they would be able to start taking your guns away for merely being on certain medications or having been diagnosed by some mental health provider with having some form of mental illness.

This is a violation of Due Process. We dont need any more gun control...period. I dont care how good the candy in that bill is. Make no mistake about it, this amendment requires dealers to give gun show background checks priority over their own business transactions. This WILL raise costs!

AAllen:
Text of the Toomey-Manchin bill/amendment that the CCRKBA has been involved in that seems to have the approval of Schumer (making it a friendly amendment so it has a lot better chance of being adopted than the NRA bill/amendment).  Before commenting too much I request that folks read the proposal for themselves, it is available in its entirety here:  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/posted-full-text-public-safety-and-second-amendment-rights-protection-act_716249.HTML 

My reading of the bill it says that HIPAA rules apply, and the priority to "Gun Show" purchases are for the ATF/FBI (NICS background checks) not for dealers, in fact it blocks the price limit that other bills were trying to set for handling the transfer.

I think there are a couple of problems (Attorney General is blocked from having a gun registry, but not another non affiliated group, like the IRS) that need to be patched, but there are protections here that are good.  Knowing that the Senators are feeling pressured to do "something" you can not blame some for trying to make that be positive for us, unfortunately there are too many anti's that will try to change it and take it over.

DanClrk51:
I wonder if the background check requirement for online stuff would include our forum firearms classifieds? Would it require BC's for online ads and thus face to face sales that are the fruits thereof?

DanClrk51:
This is the language I was worried about Andy

"SEC. 117. CLARIFICATION THAT SUBMISSION OF MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS TO THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM IS NOT PROHIBITED BY THE HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT."

To me that sounds like your mental health info would become accessible by the government via NICS and HIPAA wouldn't be able to protect against such.....leading to what has happened in New York State where they are confiscation firearms because people are on medication.

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