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Small rifle primers in 9mm reloads?
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on May 21, 2013, 10:12:09 AM ---Second round got jammed inside barrel?? And also blew the second round shooting cavity in the cylinder??
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He believes that when the 2nd round was fired the bullet traveled down the cylinder chamber and because, he believes, the cylinder was misaligned and the front edge of the lead bullet caught the edge of the barrel, forcing the lead to turn sideways, jamming the mouth of the barrel. The resulting overpressure blew the cylinder into three segments, one of which struck the son of the man who was shooting the gun in the stomach. The segment struck him on its flat side, instead of an edge, and neither his shirt or his skin were penetrated. It just stung like a strong hand slap.
I say believes because he didn't know for sure and that was the only idea he could think of. When he told me the rounds had filled the casing only 20% I suspected an overpressure caused by too rapid conflagration. I have only his word that the first round was not a squib, and I have only his suspicion that the cylinder didn't align properly before the hammer fell, which I find difficult to believe since he says the man was merely squeezing the trigger and the double action would properly align the cylinder.
I had other business and couldn't stand around and ask questions, but I plan to talk with him later and fill in some details.
SemperFiGuy:
GG:
Thanks for the response.
BTW, the Hodgdon HP-38 that you are using is essentially the same powder as the Win231 that I'm using. Some sources say that it's the exact identical stuff. They are next to or very close to each other on most powder burn rate charts, if such is any indication.
sfg
Ram Ringer:
--- Quote from: bkoenig on April 22, 2013, 10:21:55 AM ---
Never go the other way- small pistol primers are not strong enough to withstand rifle loads even though they will fit in the pocket. You run the risk of rupturing the primer and blowing hot gas all over your face.
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I would normally agree with this but I just recently ran into a bunch of Remington SP primers that were too hard for my Kel-tec PF9 and my S&W Sigma to routinely punch. I ended up using them for my practice AR loads and have not noticed any problems. I have been told Remington primers are harder than others.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on May 21, 2013, 08:02:22 PM ---BTW, the Hodgdon HP-38 that you are using is essentially the same powder as the Win231 that I'm using.
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mmm... I notice that they are very close:
http://www.frfrogspad.com/burnrate.htm
--- Quote ---10. Hodgdon Titegroup
11. Accurate No. 2
12. Alliant American Select
13. Winchester AA Plus
14. Hodgdon Clays
15. Vihta Vuori N320
16. Ramshot Competition
17. Scot Royal D
18. Winchester WST
19. Hodgdon HP38
20. Winchester 452AA
21. Scot 453
22. Winchester 231
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I included the Hodgdon TiteGroup in that list because I have eight, one pound bottles of it. But, now that I've gotten back into reloading after a 55 year absence I'm beginning to think that the TiteGroup is a little too hot for my 9mm cartridge. Am I misunderstanding something? What do you think about using TiteGroup for 9mm reloading?
jonm:
I used titegroup on 9mm with no problem. Be careful with it though. The density of it is real high so can easily double charge the case. If you are loading lead bullets in front of them, you will get a lot of smoke since it burns hot.
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