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Pulled over by Nebraska State Patrol
RobertH:
--- Quote from: bullit on April 22, 2013, 02:30:53 PM ---I take it you were not carrying while imbibing .....
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yes, not carrying... i just got off work and picked up my wife. since, i work at an anti-gun place, so i can't even store it at work in my vehicle.
bubba803:
--- Quote from: sidearm1 on April 22, 2013, 07:11:15 AM ---You are probably lucky it was a state trooper and not an OPD officer. "subject made furtive movement towards the seat, what appeared to be a firearm was seen in his right hand, Officer fired to prevent serious injury to self and others. EOR"
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I had an encounter with OPD while carrying last week. Told him I was carrying and he said "Thanks, that's good to know". With my job, I deal with OPD regularly and have found the vast majority of street officers to be very pro 2A and pro ccw. YMMV.
sidearm1:
The statement had nothing to do with whether OPD is 2A friendly or not. Its about reaching down and grabbing something off of the seat and bringing it up into view during a traffic stop. Makes all kind of police nervious. With the shooting and such going on in Omaha most Omaha Cops are probably on a higher alert then some others (while all should be aware, Omaha has it the worst) If the advise that is given on this site is correct, hands on the steering wheel until Police arrive at door: Officer I have a firearm right here on the seat, in view of where you are standing. Then follow directions. Reaching for something out of view, especially at night does make people get jumpy. A CHP would stop some of the furtive movements, because you don't have to touch the firearm until directed (after you advise the officer that you have a CHP and area carrying).
JTH:
--- Quote from: sidearm1 on April 24, 2013, 06:28:27 AM ---The statement had nothing to do with whether OPD is 2A friendly or not. Its about reaching down and grabbing something off of the seat and bringing it up into view during a traffic stop. Makes all kind of police nervious. With the shooting and such going on in Omaha most Omaha Cops are probably on a higher alert then some others (while all should be aware, Omaha has it the worst) If the advise that is given on this site is correct, hands on the steering wheel until Police arrive at door: Officer I have a firearm right here on the seat, in view of where you are standing. Then follow directions. Reaching for something out of view, especially at night does make people get jumpy. A CHP would stop some of the furtive movements, because you don't have to touch the firearm until directed (after you advise the officer that you have a CHP and area carrying).
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I'm thinking that this isn't really a problem---considering the officer doesn't stop you and run up to your door. As such, taking the firearm and moving it completely into plain sight and then having your hands away from it can easily be done before the officer gets there.
Note: I'm not saying I would suggest doing this. I am just saying that IF you do this, I don't forsee anything resembling an issue (regarding "furtive movement") if the gun is in plain sight and away from your hands before the officer gets out of his car, and you direct the officer's attention to it without hand movement when he gets to your car.
I also note that the phrase "would stop some of the furtive movements" is incorrect in that hand movement by itself is not automatically "furtive". That term has a specific LE use, and requires certain conditions to be used. ("Hand motion" is not sufficient.)
sidearm1:
from SJWSTI and others on handling weapons during traffic stop:
Why in the world would you complicate a regular traffic stop by handling your weapon? How is an LEO supposed to know that you are unloading and disassembling your gun? Having a weapon in your hand during a traffic stop, whatever your intention might be, could get you shot. Thats obviously not good for you, and its also not good for the LEO that you put in that position.
First traffic stop while carrying tonight
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2013, 09:18:19 PM »
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Quote from: Gary on February 20, 2013, 05:56:35 PM
I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
After talking to a couple LEO's I know today (one in CB other in Omaha) can I ask that you do NOT do this if stopped in the metro? The reactions I got were not good. The CBPD said you would be "peeing in the fountain of my good natured discretion" heh, his words. The OPD said if he saw someone breaking down a weapon as he pulled them over they would not leave the stop with that weapon. It leads him to believe the weapon was not concealed and that you may have been flashing it as you drive down the street. "Cute moves like that deserve a teachable moment to help the learning curve"
Cops are people, some good, some bad, but doing something which could possibly antagonize them doesn't help any of us. SFG said in his class we have to set the best example while exercising our rights. I think he's right.
I can appreciate your perspective Gary, and I'm glad it's worked out for you. However, there is absolutely no way I'm handling my firearm without being instructed to do so by the officer if/when I am pulled over. Then again, I don't make it a habit to do anything that would get me pulled over in the first place. My wife tells me I drive like an old man...lol
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