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Open Carry...*gasp*
JTH:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on June 12, 2013, 04:28:45 PM ---Except if that person is an LEO or retired LEO, or a PI, or as an expert witness helped convict and imprison dangerous people.
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Chances are still tiny. Larger than for others, but still tiny.
JTH:
--- Quote from: 00BUCK on June 12, 2013, 04:56:42 PM ---Yeah, because the second amendment says you have to have training.
NOT
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You did catch the part about starting a town, which means that people would have to buy the land from me in the first place, which means they knew what they were getting themselves into, right? In other words, by choosing to live there they were choosing the circumstances under which they live? And no one was forced to build themselves a house to be part of the town?
Sheesh.
I'm pretty sure that by now, people have caught on to the fact that of all people, I'm not the person who believes that training should be mandatory before anyone can buy a gun.
I'll also note that my "town ordinance" didn't say anything about how this was necessary before anyone owned a gun---it was necessary to LIVE THERE.
Hey, kinda like Kennesaw, Georgia. And you know what? That seems to be working pretty well.
JTH:
--- Quote from: MissMichella on June 12, 2013, 09:00:56 PM ---I have only heard a few stories of an OC having their weapon taken...on other forums...but I know it's something that could happen. If this situation was the norm it seems like LEO would CC and all be in plain clothes.
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Actually, lots of reports and studies show that LEOs often have to fight to retain their weapons. (And when LEOs are shot, it is sometimes with their own weapon, though I believe this number has decreased as departments have instituted better weapons retention practice, and got themselves better holsters.) This isn't a surprise, as the one thing they have to do in every situation is close with the criminal to cuff them. (This makes their requirements very different from normal citizens.)
If you read about the history of police departments and police work, you'll run into a lot of very good reasons why police departments mostly wear easily recognizable uniforms. :) And given that, there isn't any reason to carry concealed. (At least, not the primary weapon.)
MissMichella:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on June 12, 2013, 10:30:13 PM ---Actually, lots of reports and studies show that LEOs often have to fight to retain their weapons. (And when LEOs are shot, it is sometimes with their own weapon, though I believe this number has decreased as departments have instituted better weapons retention practice, and got themselves better holsters.) This isn't a surprise, as the one thing they have to do in every situation is close with the criminal to cuff them. (This makes their requirements very different from normal citizens.)
If you read about the history of police departments and police work, you'll run into a lot of very good reasons why police departments mostly wear easily recognizable uniforms. :) And given that, there isn't any reason to carry concealed. (At least, not the primary weapon.)
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You are very correct...and as a side note, in the last few months here in Lincoln attempting to grab a LEO's weapon has become more prevalent. The retention holsters have been changed to a different model in fairly recent years for LPD. I got a demonstration on how they worked a couple days ago and was pretty impressed. However, I don't think a LEO is targeted solely to steal their firearm. If the attack occurred with no provocation, I believe the officer most likely was targeted merely for being a police officer and the gun was stolen as a byproduct of the attack. Even more likely of a theory, the officer’s gun was taken during the struggle to get the suspect into custody for an unrelated (alleged) rime. If all my theories are incorrect and an officer was solely attacked to obtain their gun, what actions does the police department take to keep it from happening again? Do they change policy so all LEO must carry concealed? Not that I've seen. I want to prioritize my defense strategy for the most likely threat first, and the least likely last.
Okay...I'll stop before I go into straight-up soapbox... :) I'm a newbie, so you all are teaching me. Free education...I love the internet.
00BUCK:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on June 12, 2013, 10:18:26 PM ---I'll also note that my "town ordinance" didn't say anything about how this was necessary before anyone owned a gun---it was necessary to LIVE THERE.
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So I am guessing said town will be in Canada then? If you start a town in the good 'ol USA you still are subject to the constitution. Requiring training is infringing on 2A. Last I looked, they hadn't removed that part, at least not yet ...
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