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Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« on: June 04, 2013, 05:01:10 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/politics/lautenbergs-death-puts-chris-christie-in-difficult-spot.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=2&



The death of Frank R. Lautenberg on Monday has left Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey with the kind of opportunity that politicians usually covet: the chance to give away a seat in the United States Senate. But the decision is fraught with pitfalls, none bigger than having to choose between improving his party’s fortunes in Washington and furthering his own political ambitions at home.



It goes on to discuss Mayor Booker.  Now... in a generic politician point of view, I happen to like Booker (haven't looked at his stance on things, though).  But that's not the point.

Well, maybe it is - other stories have talked of Christie spending an ass load of money on the upcoming special election.

Most of the news articles talk about the politics of Lautenberg's replacement.

I can't help but feel disenfranchised by the entire situation, politics, Congress, and the media ... and I don't even live in NJ.

blah blah blah help my own party blah blah blah

blah blah blah help my own interests / future blah blah blah

blah blah blah hinder the other party blah blah blah

blah blah blah hinder opponents blah blah blah

I'm sorry ? What happened to, oh, I dunno... picking an awesome guy to fill the late Senator's shoes ?

I am WHOLLY disgusted with this ****.
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 07:25:37 PM »
The best we can hope for is that RINO Christie will show his true colors and be forever gone from the presidential discussion. If he picks another RINO, it would be no different than if he picks a DemocRat
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 10:25:16 PM »
The good news? Lautenberg is dead. The bad news? The useful idiot voters of NJ will replace him with someone just as corrupt and despicable, but younger. I also agree with Dan- Christie is a d-bag.   
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 09:49:51 AM »
The best we can hope for is that RINO Christie will show his true colors and be forever gone from the presidential discussion. If he picks another RINO, it would be no different than if he picks a DemocRat

If Christie is the Republican nominee in 2016 it will be the death of the party, IMO.  Neither the conservative nor the libertarian wings of the party can stand him.  I think a lot of people will stay home or vote third party rather than cast a vote for a big government statist like him.

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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 12:03:27 PM »
Hurricane Sandy battered the Garden State and caused $38 billion dollars in overall damage that affected at least 10 to 20% of the state's population. The state still faces a long period of rebuilding all that was lost, including some 360,000 homes and apartments damaged in the storm.  FEMA has spent $4 Billion on the Sandy recovery, mostly helping flood insurance payments by insurance companies. New Jersey got 70% of that.   Insurance companies in general have paid nearly $19 Billion.  Non-FEMA contracts have the Defense department paying $277 million, DHS paying $454 million out of the $800 million  in non-FEMA contracts.   Aside from the fact that FEMA and the other government agencies did what they were supposed to do, exactly what did Obama do for Christie and New Jersey? Create a photo op?

With New Jersey still recovering from that natural disaster Christie is going to spend 24 million to hold another election so that a state that has 700,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans can elect Mayor Booker?

If Christie appoints a Republican he'll lose his next election for Governor, but keep the door open for a possible Republican nomination for the Presidency.  There is no guarantee,  however.

If Christie appoints a Democrat he'll lose the Republican nomination for President in 2016, guaranteed, but he stands an excellent chance  of being re-elected as Governor.

Christie is, after all, a RINO.  He has another option:  switch to the Democrat party.  Then he could run for governor again with a shoo-in  guaranteed, or he could give the Democrats an alternative to Hillary, which I think they'd jump at because she is toxic, besides being incompetent.   So, there it is.  I predict that Christie will remain as governor of New Jersey but switch to the Democrat party in a couple years and then run for President as a Democrat in 2016.  With the standard 47% welfare vote, combined with the RINO fraction of the Republican party, election is assured.   IMO, that is why he and Obama get along so well.



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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 01:52:28 PM »
That's a very realistic assessment.

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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 02:56:14 PM »
GG:

S'far as I am concerned, you are--since the moment of your above posting--the Offical Senior NFOA Political Maven.

What Else You Got????

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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 03:29:42 PM »
I imagine those that vote 'red party' only voted Christie because he was the only option.  Not because of any ideology / platform.  Similar case in point - I had started a fairly toxic Romney pro-gun-control thread here back during 2011/2012... that ended up people voting only by red vs blue .... ignoring Romney's  history etc.

I can only hope that NJ elects ANYONE other than Christie... dunno if you can get much worse representation from either side of the fence.  And if he runs red in 2016 presidential... can't help but laugh. And is he really any better or worse than Romney was concerning platform ? He's got more of the fat cat look, I'll give ya that heh.

I would like to point out that Booker is a likable and decent human being from what I've read over the past 4 years.  Sure, he wears a blue shirt... and I have no idea where he stands concerning 2A.... but the guy is *RESPECTABLE*.

Case in point:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/cory-booker-shovels-snow_n_410445.html

Possible ulterior motives aside, busting HIS OWN ass to shovel snow for a constituent is props in my book.
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 07:26:23 PM »
I would like to point out that Booker is a likable and decent human being from what I've read over the past 4 years.

I would agree.   Booker has created several remarkable photo bytes,  sound bytes and twitter posts,  or the cameras were unbelievably close when some events happened,  putting him in a favorable light, and he is charismatic as well. 
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/13/11175993-newark-mayor-cory-booker-helps-save-neighbor-from-fire-i-felt-terror?lite
Remember him saving the dog?
Remember him inviting a dozen or so Sandy victims without power over to his house?  He ordered in pizza for them.
Remember when he helped triage an accident victim?
Remember when he fixed the traffic light?  (Why didn't the labor unions complain, or even do that themselves?)
Remember during the 2010 Xmas blizzard when he himself went around digging people out?
Remember when he lived on food stamps for a month to show  how hard it was to eat properly with food stamps?
He and Christie are buddies.
The Dems love him!


But, being a Harvard graduate I have little doubt that he is first, above all, a Socialist.  I would that he stay in New Jersey and not move to D.C.

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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 09:49:36 PM »
To answer some of the 2A questions, from wikipedia we get:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Booker is a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition,[38] a bipartisan group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets". Booker was honored in October 2009 by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence with the Sarah Brady Visionary Award for his work in reducing gun violence.[39] As Mayor, crime dropped significantly in Newark, which led the nation in violent crime reduction from 2006 to 2008;[37] In 2008 Newark had its lowest murder rate since 1959,[37] and March 2010 marked Newark’s first murder-free month in over 44 years.[40]

Soooo uhhhh... Yeah, not so great there.
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 09:16:54 AM »
Yeah, not so great there

That depends on what "illegal guns" means.  If it means guns in possession of felons and thugs and what Booker did was enforce existing gun laws then that's good.   If he was working against the 2A that's bad.   That the Brady Center thought what he was doing is good ... is bad.

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 03:09:22 PM »
What Else You Got?

This:  we are into our FOURTH administration scandal in the last 6 or so months.  In every one of the first three event the following conditions were manifest:
1)  the major news media didn't break any of the stories,
2)  the major news media encouraged the admin to go after non-Democrat groups and people
3)  Congress held hearings
4)  the admin stalled or ignored the Congress
5)  only unimportant underlings were "punished" or fired.
6)  Congressmen postured for the media and used the opportunity to  solicit funds from constituents to campaign for their next term.  Except for Lindsey Graham, who proved beyond a doubt that he is a RINO who doesn't believe in  the 1st or 4th Amendments.  With friends like him one needs no enemies

and my prediction.  After all the hearings are done and the media "forgets" all about the IRS scandal  it will be business as usual for the  admin and the media.   

The next scandal is on the horizon:  Obamacare's implementation.

Those who are retired, like me, will get a letter this October from their health insurance companies announcing that
1) their insurance costs will rise exorbitantly, and
2) their coverage will be reduced to almost nothing, but
3) they will be required to pay the exorbitant costs anyway.  They can't opt out, under penalties of fines or punishment.

Sorry, but IF I cannot afford the health care I'll have no  choice but to not pay for it.  I can't print money like the Federal government is doing, and I do not qualify for all the free stuff, like the illegal aliens and the millions who claim to be "disabled" do.

It seems like I worked over 40 years just so I could fund the Socialist Redistribution schemes of the Left (they call it "Social Justice")  to make sure  illegal aliens get subsidized food, housing  and free health care, with  no ID necessary.  The Left doesn't mind.  In fact, they want to give the illegal alien the vote so that their continued re-election is guaranteed. 

Sometime in the near future, if the scandals show that a majority of the American people don't really care, and things continue the way they do, the Left will work themselves up to an Executive Order which nullifies the Constitution using some "national emergency", probably fabricated.   That's always been their goal.  The 2nd Amendment was just a target to shoot at.  Now, it seems that the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments are being destroyed right in front of our eyes.  But, as long as the freeloaders get their checks and free stuff why should they care, except to vote for those who promise to continue the gravy  train.  They'll just keep  on with their drugs, parties, porn and booze.  After all, they can't work so what else are they supposed to do?

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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 04:55:20 PM »
Indeed.

Glad I asked, actually.

Some poetic perspective:

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
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Re: Lautenberg / Christie situation... ?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 09:50:06 PM »
S'far as I am concerned, you are--since the moment of your above posting--the Offical Senior NFOA Political Maven.

My prediction was almost accurate.  Christie is holding the 24 million dollar election in October but is appointing a Republican who will not run for the seat to temporarily fill the seat until the October election.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/nyregion/in-new-jersey-scrambling-to-vie-for-a-senate-seat.html?emc=na&_r=0

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Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey on Thursday appointed Jeffrey S. Chiesa, the state’s attorney general, to temporarily fill the Senate seat left vacant by the death of Frank R. Lautenberg.
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A special election to fill the seat for the remainder of Mr. Lautenberg’s term will be held in October, and Mr. Christie’s announcement came as Democrats and Republicans across the state scrambled to line up support, raise money and secure enough signatures ahead of the deadline on Monday to compete in the August primary.

Mr. Chiesa, a Republican, does not plan to seek the seat himself, Mr. Christie said, opening up the field for others in the party. The governor revealed his decision at an afternoon news conference in Trenton.

Since Chiesa isn't going to run for the office he will be temporarily filling,  and a Democrat will be elected in October to complete  the term, Christie has threaded the needle to maximize his own political success. 

Will the New Jersey Republicans take the bone he threw them by appointing Chiesa until the election?   Probably, because what other Republican could beat Christie and win in NJ?  At the same time he hasn't made the Democrats mad by taking this route, so, Christie saved his chances for re-election as governor of NJ, and his option to run for president as a Democrat is still there.