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wusker:
Okay so if this is true then at this moment are you fine with a convicted child sex offender getting his degree (on the tax dollar BTW) serving his lengthy sentence, being released and in that token he can then be your daughters pre-school teacher?
Not on my watch brother.

SS_N_NE:

--- Quote from: ProtoPatriot on July 19, 2013, 06:30:26 PM ---So, someone does something out of stupidity, they to be punished for the rest of their lives? No, we have no business doing such a thing.
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There is ignorance of the law. Stupid disregard of the law. And, plain disregard for the law.  If someone makes the conscience effort to circumvent a law then they have accepted the penalty. It is pretty well known that there are penalty and various degree set to deter certain behavior.
After a point (choice to ignore serious penalty or repeat offenders) it is necessary to remove unsocial persons from society so social people can live without being prey.
Idealology is interesting but does not ensure individual conflict from predators. It should be simple enough to "live and let live" but not everyone agrees to play the same.

ProtoPatriot:

--- Quote from: wusker on July 20, 2013, 01:58:06 AM ---Okay so if this is true then at this moment are you fine with a convicted child sex offender getting his degree (on the tax dollar BTW) serving his lengthy sentence, being released and in that token he can then be your daughters pre-school teacher?
Not on my watch brother.

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Job field is a privilege, not a right. Rights have no requirements, you are born with them. Privileges can have requirements.

A job is privilege because it is subject to another. They are paying you, you do what they say (within reason of course).

You as parent of the right to choose who teaches your children....but that has no business being placed into a law, because what you choose will not necessarily be what I choose.

There should be no education, no TVs, no exercise equipment, etc. in prisons.

Prison should be brutal and disgusting. This whole crap of niceties in prison is a major problem...extremely disgusting.

Once released, it is up to the individual not to commit the actions ever again...they cannot be forced not to. No law can change this. No law can deter this. People don't do things because it's against the law...if that was the case, murder/assault/theft would be non-existent. They must CHOOSE to not do things.


People need to come to terms that somethings they are powerless over...even when in large numbers.



--- Quote from: SS_N_NE on July 20, 2013, 05:09:14 PM ---There is ignorance of the law. Stupid disregard of the law. And, plain disregard for the law.  If someone makes the conscience effort to circumvent a law then they have accepted the penalty. It is pretty well known that there are penalty and various degree set to deter certain behavior.
After a point (choice to ignore serious penalty or repeat offenders) it is necessary to remove unsocial persons from society so social people can live without being prey.
Idealology is interesting but does not ensure individual conflict from predators. It should be simple enough to "live and let live" but not everyone agrees to play the same.

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And most laws have no business even existing at all.

The safety of the individual is the concern of only the individual. The safety of the children are the concern of only their family/guardians and the child.

Also, when a predator (which is a misnomer because human beings are predators by nature), they have the right of self-defense (even children have this right)....it is up to them to do it, no one else can...nor is it anyone else's responsibility.

There should be no safety nets.

You cannot regulate yourself into prosperity or safety...or anything...that thought is what drives socialism/collectivism and leads more problems than not having the laws/regulations at all.

What is good for the group is rarely good for the individual, but what is good for the individual is good for the group in a majority of cases.

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