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bkoenig:
That's assuming the rest of the Senators are willing to stand up to Chambers' bullying.  Even if it makes it out of committee he will threaten to filibuster anything that doesn't have his approval.  They will need our support and encouragement to not let him push them around.

AAllen:
Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground, Civil Liability Protections, and Presumption of Reasonable Fear (or Presumption of Innocence, gets referred to by lots of names) are fairly well defined here: http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,9650.20.html

While no bill being introduced anywhere today is a clear strict version of any of these terms we need to be vary careful in what we ask for.  The examples given; when Castle Doctrine first was proposed it was removing the duty to retreat in your home only, Nebraska has never had a duty to retreat in your home.  Stand Your Ground has become a dirty word so something else needs to be used (NFOA's "Victim Protection Act").

The Zimmerman hold off, that is one of the many reasons that this has not been pushed in the last year, not only here but in many states.  Another thing that we need to do is decide what exactly we are after.  Rather than trying to make one big bill that is some type of hybrid of these possibilities I think we need to pick one piece and go after it, then go after another once we get the first.

As mentioned we do not need the Castle Doctrine and people that keep asking for it only make it more difficult to get any of the other items passed.  We got a small piece of the Civil Liability Protection, and this can always be expanded later (and should, but next year is not the time).  So it comes down to removing the duty to retreat in public (SYG) or presumption of innocence.  While the press is focused on SYG after the Zimmerman trial perhaps going after the presumption of innocence piece (that actually helped Mr. Zimmerman) would be what we should try for.  Just a small bill that moves Self Defense from being something you need to prove (as the person using it) to something the State would need to disprove to get a conviction.

AAllen:

--- Quote from: GreyGeek on July 17, 2013, 08:07:25 AM ---It turns out that the data shows that Blacks have benefited more from the Stand Your Ground Law than any other ethnic group.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

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A news article out today about this very subject:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/

bullit:

--- Quote from: bkoenig on July 17, 2013, 11:27:26 AM ---That's assuming the rest of the Senators are willing to stand up to Chambers' bullying.  Even if it makes it out of committee he will threaten to filibuster anything that doesn't have his approval.  They will need our support and encouragement to not let him push them around.
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+1 here.....The Cobra made a fool out some the gun owners at this most recent JC hearing in the Spring, even having Ashford remove one them...and did all without raising his voice or even directly addressing them....one thing about EC is that he is one of the most talented debaters and THE MOST knowledgeable member of the Unicameral.

AAllen:
Folks I think everyone is giving Ernie more than he is due.  Is he skilled at what he does, yes, but he can be beat.  We just need to recruit and teach a new batch of Senators on how to do so.  Remember he has 40 years of practice at this, but he makes mistakes just like everyone else.  We need to be ready and able to capitalize when he does.

As far as the issues this year, some things this year go to setting up others next year and the year after.  These battles are not won overnight but take time to mature.

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